Bottom hihat tilt control

[monospace]

The more I concentrate on the hihat, the more I think that having a control for the bottom hat angle would be useful, and would add to the realism. I know a lot of folks like it when they play a chick and then release the pedal, it is silent (not sending CC), but to me it sounds unnatural. I realize that the current beta already has 3 checkboxes which don't add to the simplicity of the control, but it seems to me a lot of those options could be consolidated by adding a tilt control instead.

Basically, when your (virtual) bottom hat is level, you don't send CC (transmutations) upon release of the pedal, and when you dial in an angle, you get more CC (but without having to hit the cymbal first.) A real world acoustic hihat stand has a screw for just this purpose.

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[MWJT42]

What you're asking is essentially the HH splash sound (which SD3 labels as open pedal).

There are hundreds of various forum posts trying to find a way to disable this in SD3, as it (by accident) usually does what you're after, but can make for a messy splashy sound for some drummers.

Turning up (...down?) the new splash sensitivity control should get you what you want. Just make sure the splash MIDI note is actually triggering the open pedal sound in your software.

(failing that, just use SD3 and turn off Rob's fix!)

[monospace]

It’s not a splash sound, which is easy enough to trigger in the new beta. It’s the sound you hear when you gently release your foot off the pedal. With a tilted bottom hat, you would hear a sizzle (like a splash, but without the attack.) Currently when I try this with the eDrumIn, it’s dead silent. I get that some folks prefer that, so maybe a tilt control could be useful for those who do like the option.

(Unless there’s another way to achieve this already and I missed it.)

[MWJT42]

you would hear a sizzle (like a splash, but without the attack.)

I understand it's different to splash. This articulation isn't sampled in Superior Drummer 3 or modelled in any modules I've used, so even if eDRUMin could trigger this, there's no actual sound to trigger!

I'm thinking there would technically be a way to enable it (kinda like a slow splash), which could create a MIDI note, but these artifacts are usually something users are trying to avoid, hence all the recent changes in 1.3 - so I would think demand for this feature is likely to be fairly low.

Personally, I use tilted high hats acoustically and don't like the fully open sound in SD3 for open trigger hits, so I calibrate my pedal (bring up the minimum on the curve) to only reach about 20, rather than 0.

One option for you, if this is of particular importance, is to create the sample yourself (or find an articulation that works), trigger it in place of the open pedal sound (either replace the sample or send a different MIDI note), and then adjust the new splash sensitivity to suit the slower opening. You would lose the standard pedal splash though.

OR

Add a new trigger! (*late night brain dump, this might be a terrible idea....) Something attached to your pedal that triggers when open, and tell edrumin to send that as MIDI note to your tilted hat sound.

[Rob]

For pedal mode, there are actually two types of crosstalk cancellations going on.

One is to compensate for the vibrations when the hats get jolted when the pedal is pressed down, and the other is to prevent triggers when the hats are accelerating in up or down. I suspect you wold like to not use the latter. Ideally I would have two separate controls, but I ran out of room on the UI so they are both tuned with the same parameter.

I'll add that filtering out the later prevents SD3 from making crazy transmutation artifacts.

[monospace]

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm going to have to spend an evening of fiddling to see if I can tweak this to my liking. I personally like a sloshy hihat but I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea.

(Thanks to the pandemic I have PLENTY of time to stay home and tweak my drums. )

[lalo]

the bottom "cymbal" of any 2 piece hihat is just a plastic dummy plate without any sensors on it, so I don't see how you can implement a tilt setting...

[monospace]

I was thinking of a virtual tilt setting. A software control that would let you set the amount of hihat sound you hear when move the pedal, without first hitting it or triggering a chick.