Hi hat jittering issue

[Rabidreject]

Hey guys,
I just picked up my ED10 and im sup[er happy, which I knew I would be!
It has made me think of a question I was meaning to ask for a while whilst using my ed4. When I am trying to play a groove with the hi hat, I find it when I tyr to plauy any of the in between open and closed articulations, so trying to play the hi hat half open, doesnmt really work - well it does but it gives this jittery sound because the pc is constantly switching up and down between different mid open articulations.

I think thats the best way of describing it... does anyone else get this? Is it my rele cheap hi hat controller? I have gone in and widened the different pedal 'heights' which makes it slightly easier but yeh its pretty hard to get it to sound natural half open.

Any info always appreciated.
Cheers

[perceval]

I'm going to guess your pedal can send all values from 0 to 127, and you are using SD3.

If so, and you are using all the range within SD3, the HH position will always change a bit as your foot will never be exactly at the same place, especially when you are grooving!

You can adjust the distance between "steps" of openness in SD3, so you have a range you can move your foot a bit, without affecting the sound.

Or, you could just limit the number of openings, by not using CC notes, but simple steps of closed, 1/4 open, 1/2 open, 3/4 open and full open.

[Rabidreject]

Annoyingly, I’m too poor for SD3 at this stage so I’m using either EZD or the free kit on SSD5.5.

What I’m picking up from you is that it’s not what’s being sent from the eD10, rather what’s being generated from that in my VST? Is that correct?

I think I need to now save my pennies for a VST with more E drum controls…I did try to do the rent to buy with SSD but they only accepted credit card for it not debit so I couldn’t.
Probably just save for SD3…

Thanks for the info. Very useful.

[Rabidreject]

I’d love to be able to limit a bit more. Like the 1/4 open etc you mentioned.
Maybe if I change the level the hi hat is set at in EZD itl give me less ‘openess’.
I’m so crap with language for this stuff! Ha

[Rob]

Maybe switch to using Hihat Level Mode.

[Dadwrshpdrum]

Concur with Rob. I had exact same issue with EZD2 and SSD5.5. After a lot of attempts to ignore it while using CC4 I gave in and reconfigured my set up to HH levels. This resolved any issues. I have since switched to SD3 and switched back to CC4. I’ve used the built in SD3 HH openness controls with success, but not as good as eDRUMin. Also to make SD3 work as good as HH levels I had to turn on “CC only when hit” on eDRUMin. That cleared up the last remaining artifacts, and I have no more remaining issues. I still think eDRUMin HH levels would be better but I’m new to SD3 so I will continue to give it a shot. My main reason to use CC4 is that I occasionally use a slave Td-17 module, and HH levels is incompatible with that module…

[perceval]

I think that EZD and SD have the same HH engine, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Nothing wrong using EZD. Sometimes, it's a lot easier to get a sound quickly using their compressed presets, instead of going through all the options that SD offers.

[Rabidreject]

Yeah funnily enough that’s the reason I went with the edrumin unit and EZD over a module. Well that and the price!
But yeah I realised a while back when I was using my alesis DM10 that I used hardly any functions on there but those functions I did use (trigger settings), we’re few and far between. So I started by buying the easiest drum VST I could find with the best sounds I ended up going for EZD after I realised their EZX expansions work with both EZD and SD3 (great idea I think) with the intention of eventually upgrading once I had figured out what I had if it wasn’t giving me enough options.

I will try and play around with the steps mode or whatever it’s called. I’ll always play around with the levels of openess set where you set the mapping.

This is some great info and you may find I come back with more q’s once I have tried messing around (and most likely failed if I’m asking more q’s! Lol)

[Rabidreject]

Yeah I fixed it like you said I think…,
I went to the pedal control changed it to levels mode and then also clicked on cc only with hit.
Don’t know which oh the two fixed it but it’s great now. I like the levels better anyway coz I can adjust them.

Thanks guys!
Still I was looking at SD3 earlier and man I want that! Trouble is I’m running my ed10 through a bit that great Mac mini atm and annoyingly I can’t just wack more ram in it so I need to first save to get my older MacBook fixed then I can actually run it properly if I did buy it.

[LooseSends]

I think I must be the only guy using Addictive Drums 2. There must be a reason most people prefer SD3 as I haven't done a deep dive comparison, but it sounds and tweaks great for me.

Anyway I struggled for a while the other day to get a HH pedal working, just after receiving my ED10.

My Alesis pedal is being replaced (whenever it ends up arriving, since the last one died) so in the meantime I'm using an old Roland FD-7.

I had so many weird issues getting it to work properly that I won't get into it and save you some useless reading, but in the end I put it in "levels" mode and that pretty much solved everything. All I had to do at that point was decide how many levels to send to ADD2 (which has 6 levels of hihat to choose from) and tweak the transitions to whatever I needed.

The only odd thing I had to do is to cheat the calibration to think that fully pressed was only at about 80% to compensate for the feel of the pedal itself. I know there are controls for compensating for this but they didn't seem to do enough for it.

Works like a charm and sounds stunningly realistic. I'm hoping I'll be able to do the same when the replacement Alesis pedal comes in because I'm pretty sure it uses a pressure pad using 2 or 3 levels. At least that's what it looked like when I pulled the broken one apart.

Guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.