eDRUMin 1.6.1 BETA

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Rob wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:52 am
For eDRUMin, if a particular pad is completely isolated, you can turn its own crosstalk cancellation control down zero. The only exception to this rule is for the BT-1 when it is in xtalk mode. For the BT-1 in crosstalk mode, its crosstalk control applies extra crosstalk cancelation to the pad it is linked to.

https://youtu.be/L13siTMVYok
Once again a video is helpful, thanks. Hadn't thought about the possible need to adjust the tightness of the BT-1 attached to the snare. It seems like a tug of war of settings between minimal threshold as established by the crosstalk settings for the snare/BT-1, and the rest of the kit that is physically isolated from the snare/BT-1 pair. I'm not a slamming player, so the sensitivity of lower level hits not triggering is the problem, and considering that a non-attached pad could cause problems via a crosstalk setting is the key for the work-through. I hope... :roll:
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Rob wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:06 pm
[*]Possible fix for crash reported by monospace.
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Got a crash tonight, while playing for an hour so with the Control App open, but not interacting.
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Re: eDRUMin 1.6.1 BETA

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Rob wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:52 am
For eDRUMin, if a particular pad is completely isolated, you can turn its own crosstalk cancellation control down zero. The only exception to this rule is for the BT-1 when it is in xtalk mode. For the BT-1 in crosstalk mode, its crosstalk control applies extra crosstalk cancelation to the pad it is linked to.

https://youtu.be/L13siTMVYok
After a number of attempts at all sorts of threshold and sensitivity settings for both 'Sensor' and 'Xtalk' BT-1 modes with the PD-125/BT-1 combo, I finally took the BT-1 off, mounted it on a nearby rack tom and tried some other variations on SS and RS settings with all things physically isolated. In that discovery phase I started working with the Snare's 'Rimshot range' setting - going back to the Roland type SS/RS cross-over separation.
I set the PD-125 rim for mostly SS hits, but with a hardest hit for a RS. To try to ensure no errant hits I pulled the 'Rimshot range' right green box all the way over and set the horizontal mid-line at about 60% of the way up.
The nearby racktom mounted BT-1 was for full range RS hits in Sensor mode. I was ok happy with this arrangement.

Then I looked at the video link above again, and noticed how easy it was for a Rim Shot to be made without the ever evasive simultaneous hit of rim and head, and in the video the snare has the 'Rimshot range' right green box pulled all the way over. Ok - the same tweak as I had just done. So no SS/RS misfires there - it's either one or the other depending on Rim hit strength.

The PD-125 factory preset doesn't utilize this 'Rimshot range' setting, and maybe its a key missing tweak for this situ. So I re-mounted the BT-1, put it in 'Xtalk' mode linked to the PD-125, mimic'd the video's PD-125 setting and tweaked the 'Rimshot range' so that the PD-125 rim is pretty much all RS (dynamically as well).
And the BT-1 is once again SS, triggered in typical LH x-stick across the snare, stick butt on left rim, and tip hitting the BT-1.

Works pretty well for now - still experiencing a few lowest sensitivity BT-1 non-triggers, and a few premature RS decay/release cutoffs - but better!
It also requires tweaking the BT-1 Xtalk setting to avoid having the PD-125 rim trigger lowest velocity SS hits, but at this point the BT-1 triggers most of the hits so there aren't a lot of double hits from both BT-1 and PD-125 rim. Tweaking the SS velocity range curve is definitely helpful.
And no problems with interaction from the rest of my kit's pieces.
PD-125 'Rimshot range' setting for attached BT-1, with right green pulled all the way across and a very low horizontal mid-line:
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Crash tonight. Same deal; no interaction, just playing with the app open.
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Fixed a couple issues that are hopefully causing the crash monospace is seeing.

https://www.audiofront.net/eDRUMin_Cont ... .6.1.5.zip
https://www.audiofront.net/eDRUMin_Cont ... .6.1.5.zip
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Alas... this was tonight, app open, no interaction.
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I see you are on the bleeding edge macOS. I'm going to put together a version with debugging symbols in it for you. Hopefully gives a better crash report. Are you using an M1 processor?
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Rob wrote:
Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:22 am
Fixed a couple issues that are hopefully causing the crash monospace is seeing.

https://www.audiofront.net/eDRUMin_Cont ... .6.1.5.zip
https://www.audiofront.net/eDRUMin_Cont ... .6.1.5.zip
I had a bit of trouble updating this software. First I noticed that when I opened the app it didn’t immediately recognize my device. It knew something was connected, but the app was grayed out. Different from the normal plug in device black screen.

After I unplugged and replugged in my device it started to work. I selected update, but it hung up on rebooting device. Only worked after I power cycled device.
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Rob wrote:
Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:02 am
I see you are on the bleeding edge macOS. I'm going to put together a version with debugging symbols in it for you. Hopefully gives a better crash report. Are you using an M1 processor?
My OS is Big Sur 11.6, but the laptop itself is a 2015 MacBook Pro (2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7). 16GB RAM. Capable machine but nothing special :D
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Fixed a potential macOS crash just before or just after updating firmware (8 year old issue just spotted today). Replaced packet buffer implementation for something more robust. Really hope this is the lucky build, monospace.

https://www.audiofront.net/eDRUMin_Cont ... .6.1.6.zip
https://www.audiofront.net/eDRUMin_Cont ... .6.1.6.zip
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