eDRUMin 1.6.1 BETA

[Rob]

I've been running build 3 on my mac mini for 24 hours now without a crash--mostly unattended but also a 45 minute session. Two ED10's connected and an ED4 on one of the host ports. I'll keep it running for the weekend.

[monospace]

Control App crashed while I was playing — but not interacting with it. Auto-Select was active, if it matters.

[Rob]

https://www.audiofront.net/eDRUMin_Cont ... .6.1.4.zip
https://www.audiofront.net/eDRUMin_Cont ... .6.1.4.zip

Changes in build 4

• Fixed an issue where positional CC would be sent when it shouldn't.
• Possible fix for crash reported by monospace.

[hang12]

using build 4 of beta 1.6.1 - I've had an issue for a while where HH hits are often cancelling the snare hits when hit simultaneously,

I am using SD3 with a PD-125 and BT-1 tandem for snare, and VH-12 HH - these three triggers (plus HH pedal) are plugged into just one of my two eDRUMin10's.
No overlapping note assignments that I can see to cause cancellation. Snare Hit is 6, position is 16. HH Bow/Edge/Bell are 46/26/120 with a choke of 16 (but I think the choke is a non-issue, as it's not being triggered, and I don't choke the HH anyway).
The 3 zones of the snare are all affected/experiencing cancellation. Sidestick is not. BT-1 doing rim shots is not.
In general, the PD-125 + BT-1 triggers all of the SD3 snare articulations really well.100%.

I switched the HH to levels mode from CC positioning (and back) and there's no difference in this cancellation situ. Pedal position does not make a difference (i.e. I can open and close the HH and the snare still drops out).
Build 4 had a mention of pos 16 showing up incorrectly and I was hoping maybe this might fix it.

Using both the SNOIZE Midi Monitor on the Mac, and the SD3's MIDI monitor - they are reading the same, where the HH (various articulations) just seems to take over the (simultaneously hit) snare Hit notes. CC positioning shows up fine for zone changes, but doesn't make a difference. So it seems like an eDRUM output issue, and not in the SD3 MIDI assignment. The SD3 snare drum graphic also shows this 'no hit' - i.e. there's audio with a visual trigger, or... there's no audio with no visual trigger, so the snare's MIDI is dropping out or being cancelled by HH hits.
What else should I be looking for? thanks

[Rob]

What is the xtalk setting for your snare?

[hang12]

What is the xtalk setting for your snare?

27. I have sensor mode turned on with the BT-1, but have been trying to find some intermediate xtalk setting so that things can be triggered lightly, as well (as per another beta post).

I took a dinner break, just got back to it and noticed now that it's also cancelling (when simu-hit) with either of two cymbal pads or the the kick.
If it's a xtalk setting I'd be curious why a kick (or the cymbals or HH) that's not at all connected physically to the snare (it's all on rugs on concrete too) would interact?

(edit, add-on)
Ok so I've turned Xtalk mode back on, BT-1 re-linked to the snare. Lowered the Xtalk on the snare. Center snare hits way better, but edge snare hits not triggering 100% although things are triggering better - not total drop-outs as per my original observation.
When trying the BT-1 with various Xtalk settings - and various sensitivities, and in Sensor mode - it is triggering the sidesticks at the same time, and hence cutting off the rim shot sound way prematurely. Xtalk mode is better, but I had low level hits with triggering problems before. This be tweaky!
Still would like to know why various Xtalk settings are allowing interaction between physically isolated pads. e.g. the snare and HH are on their own respective stands, with zero floor vibration in between. Or is 'Xtalk' now a different definition than what was the Roland isolation thing?

[Rob]

Turn down the crosstalk control on your snare and put the BT-1 into crosstalk morie. If you want to use the BT-1 in sensor mode, it needs to be physically isolated from your snare.

[hang12]

Turn down the crosstalk control on your snare and put the BT-1 into crosstalk morie. If you want to use the BT-1 in sensor mode, it needs to be physically isolated from your snare.

Sorry - we posted at the same time - but I understand. Still have the Xtalk question though.

[Rob]

Still would like to know why various Xtalk settings are allowing interaction between physically isolated pads. e.g. the snare and HH are on their own respective stands, with zero floor vibration in between. Or is 'Xtalk' now a different definition than what was the Roland isolation thing?

Does the eDRUMin know your pads are isolated? Of course not. It just assumes that no pads are. If a single input was going to have separate crosstalk cancellation controls with every other input, that would mean up to 20 x 20 separate crosstalk controls. It would be nightmare to configure.

[Rob]

For eDRUMin, if a particular pad is completely isolated, you can turn its own crosstalk cancellation control down zero. The only exception to this rule is for the BT-1 when it is in xtalk mode. For the BT-1 in crosstalk mode, its crosstalk control applies extra crosstalk cancelation to the pad it is linked to.

https://youtu.be/L13siTMVYok