eDRUMin version 1.4 BETA now available

[monospace]

So in summary the pedal note bank is changing on a power cycle and not remaining at the last set, unlike the other pads.

Interesting because I have noticed a similar behavior with note banks like this. I’m using dual latching foot switches to control my rack toms. After a power cycle, I’ve noticed that my high tom resets to a different note bank.

I do this on so few occasions that it hasn’t occurred to me to report it but I think it’s definitely a bug.

[Dadwrshpdrum]

I'm going to start development for version 1.5. Here's some of the things I plan to work on. If you have any other suggestions let me know. I've gotten lots of requests to name inputs, but I don't think that is going to happen. Saving text on the device consumes a lot of precious memory and then sending that data to and from the device and the control application is also not efficient and would degrade performance. So for now, it's not going to be implemented. Instead I will allow the user to set a custom icon which requires about 64x less memory and bandwidth.

• Overhaul the preset manager to support trigger presets, pedal presets, and device snapshots.
• Advanced crosstalk constraints to better deal with situations like having a BT-1 attached to a snare pad.
• Allow using the position of the hihat pedal to control the note bank of the linked hihat cymbal.
• Allow saving to be switched from auto and manual.
• Allow changing the icon associated with a particular input.

I was away for the forum for awhile while traveling for business. So sorry I didn’t see this earlier. I think the list is great.

Do you have any more detail on BT-1 integration? Monospace wrote the following in the unofficially supported devices posts about the BT-1.

“ Roland BT-1: by default in "switch" mode (i.e. with internal crosstalk cancellation enabled; reduced dynamic range) When used in dual mono mode, *and* reversing polarity or using a splitter cable, Tip will enable "sensor" mode.” monospace

The same post also says the following:

“Roland BT-1: Set the input type to 'Mono' for 'sensor' mode, or set the input to 'stereo' and pad type to 'rubber pad' and only use the 'SS' note if you want to use the 'low sensitivity' mode.”

If 1.5 came with a BT-1 pad type (selectable under Select Pad Type) that made this simple that would be great. Reference my below comments on graphics a BT1 type graphic would be nice (could even just be a generic effects pad type graphic, doesn’t have to be a exactly a Roland BT1)

With respect to advanced crosstalk constraint. In the past I’ve seen posts about cross talk across USB HOST midi devices is set to a default amount and cannot be changed. Will control of this cross talk amount be part of the 1.5? Also, I’ve written about this before. When I’m using a slave module the eDRUMin 10 does a very good job sending MIDI to the slave module. The cross talk cancellation is very good. My situation is that I still have some pads connected to my slave module. However the slave module does not perform cross talk cancellation with MIDI In. However, I can turn local control off the slave module so the only sounds come from MIDI In. However, if the MIDI note is generated in the slave module, transmitted to the eDRUMin 10, the appropriately cross talk cancelled MIDI note is not returned to the slave module. I would like to see the option in 1.5 where I can turn this feature on. Something like “slave module local control off” which will mean the eDRUMin sends received USB Host MIDI notes back out on the USB Host port appropriately cross talked.

Text on the pad icons is not an high priority for me. With the auto select feature I just need to hit the pad to find it on the app. To me one of the more confusing things when I first set up the eDRUMin was what to select for my KD10 kick pad. I selected rubber pad even though it’s not a rubber pad, and that is the graphic shown. So if anything could be improved with the graphics my suggestion is for the kick. Maybe even a Kick Tower Pad selection for Select Pad Type would be great, instead of a rubber pad. I realize some DIY folks and others use different type of triggers for acoustic kick edrum conversions, so this pad type is only for KD10 or KDA220 type pads.

Is the ability to add an additional assignable MIDI note to a pad and/or HH pedal note possible? Velocity dependent and on/off via note banks would be great!

Lastly, about note banks. Are more options than 4 possible? A few more would be helpful.

[Rob]

Do you have any more detail on BT-1 integration?

The problem that I experience is that if the BT-1 is connected directly to a snare pad, the only way to avoid mistriggers involves cranking up the crosstalk cancellation on the the BT-1 and the snare pad. Unfortunately this means that other pad like the kick will also easily cancel out hits from the the snare and BT-1. The solution is to have an independent crosstalk control just for the BT-1 / snare pad, which what I mean when I say "advanced crosstalk constraint".

With respect to advanced crosstalk constraint. In the past I’ve seen posts about cross talk across USB HOST midi devices is set to a default amount and cannot be changed. Will control of this cross talk amount be part of the 1.5?

I don't feel like this is a priority simply because I get no technical support related to it, so no plans for version 1.5.

My situation is that I still have some pads connected to my slave module. However the slave module does not perform cross talk cancellation with MIDI In. However, I can turn local control off the slave module so the only sounds come from MIDI In. However, if the MIDI note is generated in the slave module, transmitted to the eDRUMin 10, the appropriately cross talk cancelled MIDI note is not returned to the slave module. I would like to see the option in 1.5 where I can turn this feature on. Something like “slave module local control off” which will mean the eDRUMin sends received USB Host MIDI notes back out on the USB Host port appropriately cross talked.

I would like to add this functionality, but I feel like I've already bitten off more than I can chew with regards to version 1.5. There are a couple of more important issues that I need to address because they are causing me technical support headaches which ultimately wastes time and makes me less productive. Perhaps the solution is to go for a version 1.4.1 before I move on to version 1.5.

Lastly, about note banks. Are more options than 4 possible? A few more would be helpful.

I don't think I'm going to change this. Sorry. Maybe further down the road.

[Sly]

Do you have any more detail on BT-1 integration?

The problem that I experience is that if the BT-1 is connected directly to a snare pad, the only way to avoid mistriggers involves cranking up the crosstalk cancellation on the the BT-1 and the snare pad. Unfortunately this means that other pad like the kick will also easily cancel out hits from the the snare and BT-1. The solution is to have an independent crosstalk control just for the BT-1 / snare pad, which what I mean when I say "advanced crosstalk constraint".

The Roland TD-12 (and TD-20 certainly) had up to 6 independant crosstlack groups. It has been sadly abandonned since the TD-30. Though that was great, you could assign an input to a crosstalk group, and then you set the crosstalk for this group. I think there was no crosstalk between groups though, it could maybe be usefull as well.
Just an idea to help improve this feature.

[monospace]

My low-tech solution to BT-1 crosstalk issues was to mount it on its own stand.

[Rob]

If I implement the function where the hihat pedal controls the hihat cymbal note bank and assuming the users has this turned on, is it safe to assume that I don't need to display the expression curve for the hihat, or even have the eDRUMin send CC4?

[flaphead]

If I implement the function where the hihat pedal controls the hihat cymbal note bank and assuming the users has this turned on, is it safe to assume that I don't need to display the expression curve for the hihat, or even have the eDRUMin send CC4?

I think I initially requested this feature. For me, I wouldn't need CC4 in this case. It would be nice though to control where the bank switch would take place. Would this be doable?

[Rob]

I've abandoned using the hihat position to control the note bank. I've probably gone over the top....It's still a bit rough around the edges still, but here's what I've got.

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[flaphead]

I've abandoned using the hihat position to control the note bank. I've probably gone over the top....It's still a bit rough around the edges still, but here's what I've got.

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That looks amazing! Can't wait to try it out.

[digiface]

Hi Rob, I just had a crash with the main v1.4.0.38 release on ED10v2, attached. Looks like an invalid memory pointer so possibly still in v1.5