TranslationI'm considering buying the eDRUMin 10 and selling my trustworthy Roland TD-30 module.
Is it true that with splitter cables I will be able to get up to 20 pads triggered on the eDRUMin 10?
My TD-30 has 16 inputs (4 of them dedicated for hihat and Ride) and I currently use all 16, so I just want to make sure that I can connect the same amount of pads if I change to eDRUMin. Im triggering Superior Drummer 3 with a lot of SDX's.
Also is it true that I can use the eDRUMin 10 without having to use a fast external audio interface to keep latency down?
Thanks
Klaus
eDRUMin 10 instead of a Roland TD-30
Re: eDRUMin 10 instead of a Roland TD-30
Yes, you could trigger up to 20 pads using splitters. In terms of the audio interface, are you running Windows or macOS?
Re: eDRUMin 10 instead of a Roland TD-30
Sort of....Klalle wrote:I'm considering buying the eDRUMin 10 and selling my trustworthy Roland TD-30 module.
Is it true that with splitter cables I will be able to get up to 20 pads triggered on the eDRUMin 10?
My TD-30 has 16 inputs (4 of them dedicated for hihat and Ride) and I currently use all 16, so I just want to make sure that I can connect the same amount of pads if I change to eDRUMin. Im triggering Superior Drummer 3 with a lot of SDX's.
Also is it true that I can use the eDRUMin 10 without having to use a fast external audio interface to keep latency down?
Thanks
Klaus
10 dual trigger inputs, can be split into up to 20 separate single trigger inputs. You'll likely want to keep your cymbals and snare to be dual input though for different articulations and positional sensing. I use my splitters for my toms and kick. I might also get one for a splash and stack, as the edge/bow aren't really a huge deal on these.
The 3 zone Roland wiring / metal ride also has a current limitation, in that it requires 2 dual inputs (e.g. it won't work with a split dual mono input for the bell). I'm hoping that this might be overcome in a future firmware update.
EDRUMin is super clever in that it can also use a single trigger input to trigger head and rim / bow and edge (using Edge sense), so you can potentially get 40 different trigger notes, if things like Tom rims are useful to you.
You can link many edrumins together, so with the sale of your TD30, you might want to consider getting 2?
Regarding the audio interface, edrumin does not have his capability, so you will need one to get low latency audio output - there's a thread somewhere discussing what people are enjoying using. I have a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2.
Re: eDRUMin 10 instead of a Roland TD-30
I'm pretty sure the built in audio for macOS is pretty low latency already, correct me if I'm wrong.
Re: eDRUMin 10 instead of a Roland TD-30
Based on you original post I think you will be pushing the limits on just one ED10. It can probably be done but you will be missing a lot of articulation abilities of SD3.
Without more information I’d suggest one ED10 and one ED4 at a minimum. If you’re like me and want to use every possible articulation you can out of SD3 get two ED10s. I use two ED10s with ATV cymbals and A2E drums and SD3 (17 inputs being used... for now). Every drum and cymbal is three zone and snare is PS.
If you post all the pads and cymbals you are using we can probably tell you with certainty what you’d be able to do and the pros and cons of each setup.
Mac or Windows I’d consider an interface, even if it is just the Scarlett Solo. The headphones and outputs to an amp make them very convenient.
Without more information I’d suggest one ED10 and one ED4 at a minimum. If you’re like me and want to use every possible articulation you can out of SD3 get two ED10s. I use two ED10s with ATV cymbals and A2E drums and SD3 (17 inputs being used... for now). Every drum and cymbal is three zone and snare is PS.
If you post all the pads and cymbals you are using we can probably tell you with certainty what you’d be able to do and the pros and cons of each setup.
Mac or Windows I’d consider an interface, even if it is just the Scarlett Solo. The headphones and outputs to an amp make them very convenient.
Re: eDRUMin 10 instead of a Roland TD-30
There was a thread where we found out that the Focusrite "might" have a 1ms advantage. The Mac clocking at 7ms, and the Focusrite at 6ms.Rob wrote:I'm pretty sure the built in audio for macOS is pretty low latency already, correct me if I'm wrong.
Personally, I can't distinguish 1ms, so in terms of latency, Macs got that covered.
What you do get with a dedicated audio interface (unless you go crazy cheap) is better sound quality as the interface would be using better quality DAC components.
Not saying that the Mac's own output is bad, and for many people, it's good enough, but there is certainly better out there.
Re: eDRUMin 10 instead of a Roland TD-30
Few days ago someone suggest me to test ASIO4ALL on windows 10.
I tried this asio driver many years ago and wasn't able to get good results, also it is known to be not speed enough to play e-drums.
The guy tells me that he could get 1,5ms of output latency with windows 10... So I gave it another try.
And I must admit that it's not the same story as when I tried it in the past. Everything is set as low as possible (64samples) and it is super stable, no audio crack. I even regret not be able to set it to 32 samples.
The latency that the driver announce is not alwas the same though... Sometimes it tells me 2,5ms, sometime 6,4, some time 4,5... A bit strange, but it's for sur absolutly playable.
Other minor problem, the audio output volume is a bit low, I must put the volume of the drum sampler at his max. Not very confrotable... But after all, I can say that you don't absolutly need an axternal audio interface to run Superior on windows. I think that was impossible before windows 10.
I tried this asio driver many years ago and wasn't able to get good results, also it is known to be not speed enough to play e-drums.
The guy tells me that he could get 1,5ms of output latency with windows 10... So I gave it another try.
And I must admit that it's not the same story as when I tried it in the past. Everything is set as low as possible (64samples) and it is super stable, no audio crack. I even regret not be able to set it to 32 samples.
The latency that the driver announce is not alwas the same though... Sometimes it tells me 2,5ms, sometime 6,4, some time 4,5... A bit strange, but it's for sur absolutly playable.
Other minor problem, the audio output volume is a bit low, I must put the volume of the drum sampler at his max. Not very confrotable... But after all, I can say that you don't absolutly need an axternal audio interface to run Superior on windows. I think that was impossible before windows 10.
Re: eDRUMin 10 instead of a Roland TD-30
Interesting, didn't know Mac default audio was so well specc'd.perceval wrote:There was a thread where we found out that the Focusrite "might" have a 1ms advantage. The Mac clocking at 7ms, and the Focusrite at 6ms.Rob wrote:I'm pretty sure the built in audio for macOS is pretty low latency already, correct me if I'm wrong.
Personally, I can't distinguish 1ms, so in terms of latency, Macs got that covered.
What you do get with a dedicated audio interface (unless you go crazy cheap) is better sound quality as the interface would be using better quality DAC components.
Not saying that the Mac's own output is bad, and for many people, it's good enough, but there is certainly better out there.
Reaper reports my latency on the 2i2 as 3.7ms. Anything over 4 feels sluggish to me, but 6 is still playable.
Re: eDRUMin 10 instead of a Roland TD-30
Latency reported by a DAW will always be the latency measured by the number of samples and plugins (if calculated).
It is NOT real world latency.
It can't measure the latency starting from the hit on the pad, to send the signal to a module (or eDRUMin), the conversion to MIDI, The MIDI sent to the computer, now add the latency measured by the DAW, then add the latency the DAC part takes to generate the digital sample into analog sound, sending it to the audio output, to a speaker or headphones.
The only way to measure real world latency is to have a microphone and record the physical hit and the sound generated by the computer.
Zoom in yje waveform you get in a DAW and look at the difference in time between the two peaks.
Your 3,7ns reported might translate into 7 or 8ms in real world... if not slower depending on the hardware.
My reported latency says 2.2ms. Real world was measured at 7ms.
It is NOT real world latency.
It can't measure the latency starting from the hit on the pad, to send the signal to a module (or eDRUMin), the conversion to MIDI, The MIDI sent to the computer, now add the latency measured by the DAW, then add the latency the DAC part takes to generate the digital sample into analog sound, sending it to the audio output, to a speaker or headphones.
The only way to measure real world latency is to have a microphone and record the physical hit and the sound generated by the computer.
Zoom in yje waveform you get in a DAW and look at the difference in time between the two peaks.
Your 3,7ns reported might translate into 7 or 8ms in real world... if not slower depending on the hardware.
My reported latency says 2.2ms. Real world was measured at 7ms.
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One more thing...MWJT42 wrote: Interesting, didn't know Mac default audio was so well specc'd.
Reaper reports my latency on the 2i2 as 3.7ms. Anything over 4 feels sluggish to me, but 6 is still playable.
The reason is the Mac's own Core Audio drivers.
They are pretty good, so many audio interface companies just use Apple's own drivers. That's why the latency is usually similar. Only the DAC part is different from a Mac's audio output.
Very few companies, like RME, actually write their own drivers for Apple stuff. That's where the latency may be smaller... but they are costly!