Zildjian LV converted test

[lalo]

I received my set of zildjian low volume cymbals converted by diamond drums, 14” hihat, 16 crash and 3 zone 18”ride. The hats come with the goedrum controller and they work as expected as a vh-11 in impact mode, the 16” crash ia dual zone with choke and it works also pretty good, the 18” ride is another story, according to diamond drums is wired as a roland 15r but that is certainly not the case since it has a piezo on the bell and the bow and a switch on the edge, so the edrumin won’t recognize it as a cy15r using 2 inputs because it sees a piezo on the ring so it shows the “compatibility issue”.
I tried to use it with one single input with bell sense but no luck so far, tried with settings for cy8, cy13 and cy15. The best results are with cy13r but still far from reliable: hitting the bow triggers the bell a lot and the bell is triggered only in a small zone and only by hitting it with the stick shoulder. I have found the solution would be a keith raper circuit converting piezo/switch to switch but I don’t have the tools nor the expertise to do it so I hope I can find someone who makes one for me.

One aspect To take into account is that this cymbals vibrate a lot generating many retriggers but the threshold parameter does wonders to alleviate this, really good response.

[MWJT42]

Really informative, thanks.

I've seen a lot of LV cymbals have a rubber trim to minimise double triggers, do the diamond ones have those?

It seems odd that Bell Sense only has the 3 options. What is this changing and is this something that is user scalable to accommodate other cymbals?

[Mylo]

Really informative, thanks.

I've seen a lot of LV cymbals have a rubber trim to minimise double triggers, do the diamond ones have those?

It seems odd that Bell Sense only has the 3 options. What is this changing and is this something that is user scalable to accommodate other cymbals?

The manual says it changes the algorithm used to determine bell hits. I don’t know what it is doing but it does make a difference. Bell Sense does not work at all with my ATVs when set to CY-15. And they work best when set to CY-8.

The manual also mentions that more cymbal algorithms can be added. One need only ask for it.

[Chetty]

Hi

If you pull out the cables and then reset to Roland 3 zone then push cables back in it doesn't show as incompatible and 3 zones work.

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Dave

[Rob]

The hats come with the goedrum controller and they work as expected as a vh-11 in impact mode

Great to hear that impact mode is coming in handy.

the 18” ride is another story, according to diamond drums is wired as a roland 15r but that is certainly not the case since it has a piezo on the bell and the bow and a switch on the edge, so the edrumin won’t recognize it as a cy15r using 2 inputs because it sees a piezo on the ring so it shows the “compatibility issue”.

A switch is supposed to have no resistance or capacitance, and that's what the eDRUMin checks for when you plug a piezo/switch pad in. If there is an issue with the jack or cable, the piezo (tip) can become shorted to the switch (ring) and that compatibility issue will come up. Also, if the switch is damaged or being pressed while the while the pad is being plugged in, the eDRUMin will also complain.

A DC current is needed to read a switch and the whole point if that compatibility check is to avoid applying DC current to piezos.

[MWJT42]

The hats come with the goedrum controller and they work as expected as a vh-11 in impact mode

Great to hear that impact mode is coming in handy.

Wait, I'm confused. Why would you run a GHC (or VH11) in impact mode?

[perceval]

regarding the ride.

you could try what Dave suggested above.

Another thing might be happening... the second piezo in the bell is wrecking havoc with the software... one solution would be to take out the bell piezo of the signal path. Then, the Bell Sense function would probably work more reliably.. using only one input as well.

[Rob]

I don't think there is a piezo and the last thing I would recommend is taking apart your cymbal. I'm sure Dave might be able to shed some light of the matter.

[lalo]

Hi

If you pull out the cables and then reset to Roland 3 zone then push cables back in it doesn't show as incompatible and 3 zones work.

Message me if you like

Dave

Hey Dave, nice to see you around here

I did what you suggested and it doesn’t show the compatibility issue and the bell works, the thing is that the bow area becomes a giant bell zone and it triggers the bell almost every bow hit, I’ve set the scalers to 1 for esge and bell but still the same. I even set the xtalx to 100 and the gain as low as possible but no luck.

Your cymbal works great, is the edrumin side which of course is not aware of this design, yet...

[lalo]

I don't think there is a piezo and the last thing I would recommend is taking apart your cymbal. I'm sure Dave might be able to shed some light of the matter.

I think there is, see pic: