On Trigger

Ludo
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On Trigger

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Hello, I have On Trigger sensors which are positioned under the pedal, I took this system because I am in an apartment to do without the pedal beaters because even with silent beaters, the noise is too loud. When I release the pedal, the sensor picks up this impact and no matter how much I go to the parameters, adjust the scan, the threshold, play on the dynamic curve or the decay, I can't get a quick double bass hit, I I changed the height of my pedal, tried different positions of the sensors, added a system with a plate under my pedal so that it is as flat as possible when coming into contact but nothing works, maybe they need to be adjusted like pedals? Anyway, I'm a novice, so I'm turning to you, sorry for the translation, thank you.
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Can you post a picture of how the sensor is mounted, or even a link to how it normally looks so I can get an idea how to deal with it?

As a side note, if you want to reduce the noise from an electronic kit, the most effective thing you can do is build an isolation planform. I built one a couple of weeks ago (cost me about 45 USD). You place your kit on a thick carpeted sheet of plywood, and in various places under the plywood you put soft foam (the internet swears by Sylomer, but I found something about 30x cheaper that has been working great so far--don't use tennis balls!). The concept is simple. You want the energy from your playing to go into the plywood and prevent it from transferring into the floor by isolating the plywood from the floor with a soft foam.
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About the onTrigger, did you also lower the gain on the input for it?
If you are already at the lowest gain, you might need to add a potentiometer to it.

About the Sylomer replacement, would it be the white melamine sponges, by any chance?
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I suspect it might be.
perceval wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:34 am
About the Sylomer replacement, would it be the white melamine sponges, by any chance?
After to quick google search I'm inclined to answer, "Yes". I'm not sure how they will preform out the long term.
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I suspected as much.
Also used as kitchen sponges on stainless steel stuff.

It was invented by BASF, as an acoustic foam, that proved to be very good at killing unwanted frequencies in speakers (I used them in a number of builds), and good against vibrations too (basically just lower frequencies).

I just don't know how they will withstand the weight over time. Will they compress to the point they won't work anymore, or keep their shape?

Tell us later, if you don't mind.
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Rob wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:29 pm
Can you post a picture of how the sensor is mounted, or even a link to how it normally looks so I can get an idea how to deal with it?

As a side note, if you want to reduce the noise from an electronic kit, the most effective thing you can do is build an isolation planform. I built one a couple of weeks ago (cost me about 45 USD). You place your kit on a thick carpeted sheet of plywood, and in various places under the plywood you put soft foam (the internet swears by Sylomer, but I found something about 30x cheaper that has been working great so far--don't use tennis balls!). The concept is simple. You want the energy from your playing to go into the plywood and prevent it from transferring into the floor by isolating the plywood from the floor with a soft foam.
Here are the photos as requested, thank you for your help.
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Re: On Trigger

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Thank you all for your help, The battery is on a 3 M² platform built with 3 cm thick acoustic tiles, the problem is the triggering of the sensor which gives me difficulty in the settings, I bought these sensors to be able to play without the pedal beat, it works but I cannot chain several quick hits or quick double hits properly despite having tried different settings
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perceval wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:34 am
About the onTrigger, did you also lower the gain on the input for it?
If you are already at the lowest gain, you might need to add a potentiometer to it.

About the Sylomer replacement, would it be the white melamine sponges, by any chance?
Hello , yes I set the gain as low as possible, same story, thank you for your help
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Can you hit the kick with medium hard velocity and then post a screenshot of your settings in the control application.
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Rob wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2024 8:43 am
Can you hit the kick with medium hard velocity and then post a screenshot of your settings in the control application.
ok, I'll post the screenshots as soon as possible
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