two pads registering on same graphic?

[bpjacobsen]

I'm finally starting to make some progress by manually matching up my midi notes/numbers between ED and SD3. However, I noticed that rack tom 1 and floor tom 2 are registering under the same graphic in ED control app. So whatever note I assign to one, means they are both the same sound. Why are they not on separate pieces? I would have expected each pair of dual zone pads that are split between rim and head would show the notes under the respective articulation like RS vs hit but it seems like they all show up under hit. Yet 4 out of 5 toms are working fine, just that one is the one tom is sharing the same piece so they dup the midi note.

[Rob]

That is an issue with many SD3 extensions--there's not a great continuity between mappings, unfortunately. Are you using a particular SDX?

[bpjacobsen]

i updated my post but no, just the stock SD3 library. It does appear that this is likely to require re-mapping between kits now and then but I'm puzzled as to why rack tom 1 and floor tom 2 are on the same ED pad/graphic so whatever I assign to one, duplicates on the other. how do I fix that?

[Rob]

However, I noticed that rack tom 1 and floor tom 2 are registering under the same graphic in ED control app.

That's not happening for me. I definitely see different graphics in the eDRUMin control application. Note however, that if you switch to 'custom notes', then the graphic shown for the input reflects the 'pad type' and so if both toms are using the same pad type, their images will be the same.

So whatever note I assign to one, means they are both the same sound

This could be because the kit you are using doesn't support that many toms. Watch what is happening in the SD3 interface. The eDRUMin control application has a MIDI Monitor which can be helpful when trying to sort out assignment issues.

MIDI Monitor

[bpjacobsen]

def not an issue with the kit not supporting that many toms. I had all this working fine with the strike module connected. something else going on. I sure hope I can figure it out. Perhaps a wiring issue? though again, I didn't change anything other than the module and they all worked fine in the Strike. there are a few other pads that are not registering any trigger so I hope I can find a solution. every pad is plugged into something so they should all be working but my cowbell, 2 or 3 octobans and my ride bell are not working at all. ( the bell I'm using is not a cymbal ride trigger. it's just a tom trigger.) Very concerning.

[Rob]

Maybe go into the firmware update section and enable 'disable compatibility check'

[bpjacobsen]

That did not do anything.

But I just discovered something odd. I noticed that for each pair of pads that are sharing the two zones (well, the octobans anyway) If I tap one that is not registering any movement in the control app under gain, tap the 2nd pad of the pair that does, then go back to the 1st one, it then registers movement. See the following video and you will see what I mean:

https://youtu.be/2bWqf6IB-9Q

What the what is this about?

Side note, I'm planning to scratch the wires and add jacks to the opposing pads and use Hosa YPP117 splitters to make the connections more clean and less cluttered. I'm hoping in that process, it will fix this issue. I also need to test those ports with the other working pads to make sure I don't have a faulty unit or something. but I'm sure it's something with my jacks. despite them working fine with the Strike, They can definitely be cleaned up a bit. too many wires and room for bad connections. It's gonna be a sizeable project but in the end, it should all work better I hope.

[bpjacobsen]

OK I finally figured out my problem! I now basically have all 8 octobans working. The issue was with the connection to the jack on the pads. For some reason with the ED, to get them working for both zone, I have to pull the trs plug out until it clicks. By pushing them all the way in, it makes it so only one pad works. Not sure why but I'll take the win. I still have to figure out why some of the pads are sharing the same midi note and graphic on the ED screen but that likely is b/c they both are on the same part of the piezo. (both rim or both head) Most likely that all gets sorted out when I re-do the rest of the jacks so that every pad is connected to a jack and I'm using the Hosa splitter. This way I can just work with them two at a time, making sure I set the piezos per pair, to the opposing rim/head connection. I should have done it this way in the first place but I was tying to cut costs. LOL. lesson learned.

[Rob]

You need to put those inputs to Dual Mono mode.

Connecting Pads

[bpjacobsen]

I will check that dual/mono mode thing out too but def making progress. Just relieved that I know there is no prob w/ the boxes. Someone out there had said with these DIY larger kits like I have, it can be a rather time consuming headache to get everything working right but once it works, it works very well. Def getting somewhere now though. Thankfully.