HiHat pressure?

[dsteinschneider]

The pro is a local who has a Roland kit.

On your MIDI ideas - it makes me think of Bome MIDI Translator Pro. I bought it to do some tricks for a Pedal Steel Guitar VST. It can do practically anything you can think of MIDI wise.

[AKA Wayne]

To get the extra tight feel/sound I cut up small pieces of felt pads used on furniture legs and stuck them to the edge of my bottom hi hat. I use diy lv hats with a rubber u channel wrapped around them. It also makes it much quieter and triggers much better when closed since vibrations travel better.

[LooseSends]

Some of Stephen Taylor's lessons on YouTube have benefited my playing. He is an accomplished YouTube video producer and sometimes starts out a bit on the clickbait side but in a good way. I thought this video about the $1200 VH-14 was interesting but all while watching it I was wondering if he wouldn't admit that my Hall sensor eDRUMin hi-hat properly calibrated along with Superior Drummer correctly setup plays well enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP98nr6qOw4

Like yours, my homemade one certainly does as well. Just a matter of proper calibration of trigger zones to whatever specific range your hall sensor sends, and works well with an ED and Addictive Drums2.

Just set the threshold (heel down and resting) to trigger the tight closed hat sound to anything above that.

I'm curious though, if you don't mind telling me: do you know if Superior Drummer handles more articulations in the high-hat range than Addictive Drums 2? I mean, there are a bunch of "in-between" sounds but not all of them make sense in the full range between open/close, and are likely just alternative full open sounds for that kitpiece.

I hope that makes sense.

Usefully, I'm only able to use 5 levels of open/close, which is probably enough, but a couple more would be even smoother. What do SD kits have for this? I'm not sure if there's HiHat solutions out there (like the subject of the thread) that will improve the overall hihat experience over the hall-sensor setup on a single zone cymbal kitpiece.

Is there a method that actually modulates the sound sample to make it more continuous than just step triggering samples?

[mprinz]

I'm curious though, if you don't mind telling me: do you know if Superior Drummer handles more articulations in the high-hat range than Addictive Drums 2? I mean, there are a bunch of "in-between" sounds but not all of them make sense in the full range between open/close, and are likely just alternative full open sounds for that kitpiece.

Hi,

may I try to give you an idea of that Toontrack stuff:

In SD3 there a lot of hi-hat articulations tight/closed edge/tip/bell and then 0-5 states of openess for each.
That seems to be the standard for the newer SDX's. I got "The Progressive Foundry" in a during a sale and that got way less articluations. But... ok.
The EZD3 and newer EZX's got mostly only tight/closed edge/tip and then 0-5 states of the edge openess. Depending on the genre: Gospel and UK Pop got the tip artiuculations as-well, for example.

The hi-hat setup was updated in the later versions of SD3. Now you can choose between 3 Openess Transitions (see figure).
But - I mean - for us eDRUMin10 users it is irrelevant due to Robs CC with hit or fast stepping fixes.

If you want a perfect hi-hat setup, you should contact this guy, Martin Trommler:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/5791772 ... ouncements

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[LooseSends]

The hi-hat setup was updated in the later versions of SD3. Now you can choose between 3 Openess Transitions (see figure).
But - I mean - for us eDRUMin10 users it is irrelevant due to Robs CC with hit or fast stepping fixes.

If you want a perfect hi-hat setup, you should contact this guy, Martin Trommler:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/5791772 ... ouncements

EZD3_Main_Room_hihat articlations.JPG
Area_33_hihat articlations.JPGSD3_hihat_setup.png

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Thanks so much! I really need to find a resource that explains more specifically how HiHat transitions work and what the options are out there.

I've already invested in AD2 and to be honest it sounds great and does just about everything I need, especially with how many kitpieces and homemade triggers I have going on, but I always wonder if the grass is indeed greener on the SD3 side and I'm missing something.

I've got the HH sounding and triggering great on my homemade hall-sensor footpedal but...it's not quite what I need it to be despite a lot of tweaking. It could just be the particular articulations I'm working with or limitations of triggering using a rubber HH but I might be willing to buy into another system altogether if it will offer a better overall experience.

I'm not sure I totally understand those two functions you mention in the ED control software (CC with hit, and fast stepping) and what issue they solve. I can infer what it they do but not exactly the "why".

It's also made me question my understanding of what exactly is going on with how HH triggering works. I do understand the stepping of course, where you map the transitions to increasing levels of open/close. The ED software does this AS WELL as the AD2 software, so I wonder which is best to use (I use the ED) but I've been wondering about something maybe you can answer before I find myself writing a book of questions here and wasting your time.

Step triggering HH transitions simply plays a different articulation dependent on pedal position. But then there's amplitude mixed in there (how hard you hit) so does it simply play the articulation sample louder or softer, or was the articulation originally recorded with the different characteristics of the kitpiece from being hit harder or softer? Is it simply volume?

My main problem with AD2 is that I have to truncate the top half of the articulation - having the hardest hit register only up to about 50% of the full range, other wise even moderate strikes sound way too harsh. Yes, that's what velocity curves are for but unfortunately, I suspect my Alesis kitpieces have such a harsh center hotspot and overall sensitivity, the only way to tame it down on my snare and have a playable range is to really compress the velocity curve. It works and I can still have soft ghost rolls on the snare but I really wish I had more range to work with.

Sorry for the wall of text, but thanks so much for your post! I sent a request to the page you linked. I just feel that even though I grasp the concepts well, that I'm missing something simple or have a misunderstanding of something fundamental.