CY-16-RT

[tjheller]

Has anyone had any luck with the bell sense algorithms for the Roland CY-16-RT? I can't seem to get mine working well. I tried some Yahama wiring adapters but when I crash hard on the edge switch I get a bell note triggered. I've narrowed it down to the bell switch just being more sensitive on these cymbals. (A problem with Roland bells for years that was finally fixed, but doesn't help in this case) They work fine with two cables but I'd love to reclaim those inputs if possible. To be clear this is NOT a problem with the edrumin device. There isn't an algorithm for the CY-16RT bell sense so I can't fault the edrumin at all. Just trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Has anyone else experienced this?

[Sly]

I tried some Yahama wiring adapters but when I crash hard on the edge switch I get a bell note triggered.

Maybe give this a try : plug the edge output of the cymbal on the bell jack of the adapter and the bell output of the cymbal on the edge output of the adatper, then use the reverse function of edrumin for yamaha cymbal.
Now, do you have a crash note triggered when you hit hard the bell ?

[tjheller]

I loose the bow in this scenario. Not sure why with reverse, but none the less, lost bow. Then also the edge bell function is unpredictable. I really think it's inherent to the 16RT, it does it on both of mine. Only on a hard crash strike, and not all the time, but enough to bother me.

[Sly]

Humm, loosing the bow is maybe normal, the piezo is maybe only wired one the "edge" jack of both the cymbal and the adapter. But then how could you get the edge and bell note triggered, if there's no piezo wired ?... A bit strange. Wihtout having the cymbal it's hard to help. I guess there's a mechanical crosstalk between the edge switch and the bell switch, causing the last to be very shortly closed when you hit very hard the edge.
It could be a reason to add a switch threshold, I think Rob has discussed a few times about this option. Not sure if it is still something that he would add though.

[tjheller]

It's most definitely mechanical cross-talk. I can work around it for now. I've just ordered 2 more ed4s. I have a megadrum that can handel the three way cymbals for the time being. The Yahama adapters work fine until you really lay into a crash on the edge and you get a "Bell Ping". I was hoping to get bell sense to work with them but it just isn't reliable. An algorithm for the cy16rt or a switch threshold would be clutch. Rob does such a great job meeting our needs I'm sure he has to constantly weigh what is a more popular request so I totally understand. Its certainly not his fault that my kit is big and I want every single little articulation I can squeeze out of it. Thanks for the suggestion.

[tjheller]

I finally had some time to investigate this further. The bow piezo is only wired with the edge side of my Yamaha wiring adapter, which is why I loose bow. I get pretty good bell and edge separation but no bow, I think it could be tweaked to fine tune that. The Reverse Wiring toggle is clutch to use the 10k ohm resistor to knock down the bell switch instead of recognizing the edge Zone the way it would on a Yamaha module or pad. Apparently the new Roland cymbals aren't wired edge-bow and bell-bow they are strictly edge-bow and bell only. I'll have to re solder my adapters and testbthis further.

[brave_kilby]

I've asked in the past, and to my knowledge there is no bell sense setting for it yet. The only way I can make it work with 1 input, is a roland->yamaha adapter with a resistor and then use yamaha wiring on input setting in edrumin. I used this tutorial to make it, and it works fine for me https://www.vdrums.com/forum/advanced/d ... pter-cable

[tjheller]

I probably should have replied to this sooner...but, I made some yamaha adapter cables per your suggestion and they did work accept when I hit the bell hard I'd get a crash sound. I tried the reverse wiring and swapped the cables, etc. In that scenario I would get a bell sound on a loud crash hit. The yamaha wiring adapters work great on my Lemon, Alesis and ATV cymbals; I just can't get them to work for beans in my CY16Rs. One of them is decidedly better than the other but none the less it's still fussy. I've gone to using a two wire connection as this gives me the best results. One of the cymbals still gives errant crashes with hard bell strikes. Even with a two cable setup. I'm convinced it's just an issue with the cymbal itself. Thank you for all of your help on this.

[djdrumphil]

Hi tjheller
I use two CY-16R-T, both in two-cable mode, and when I play medium-hard notes on either of their bells I often get the edge crash sound instead.
I wondered if it might be possible to add a crosstalk cancellation for this bell-edge crosstalk. I assume the Roland modules must have that, because without it the bells aren't very usable.

[Rob]

Hi djdrumphil,

I just made a small change that should address this issue. Can you give build 15 a try and see if it resolves the problem. After you install, make sure you update the firmware by clicking the orange exclamation mark in the bottom left hand corner of the UI.

eDRUMin_Control_PC_2.3.0.15.zip

eDRUMin_Control_OSX_2.3.0.15.zip