Missing HiHat hits

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thenewdrummer
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Missing HiHat hits

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I have a Alesis Nitro HH foot pedal and the Alesis cymbal.

With edrumin the range of the pedal is really better, but I found that when I change the foot position sometimes the first 1-3 hits are lost. (I don't see them in edrumin either) and after that it starts to hit again.

If I stay always at the same foot position, there's never missing hit.

Is there a setting I could use to fix it ?
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Rob
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You probably have the hihat xTalk control set too high.
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I had this issue and lowering the cross talk (on the hi-hat pedal page) fixed it as Rob recommends
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Can confirm that the crosstalk settings are really, really sensitive, and not just on the hihat. I was having issues with a CY-14 crash cymbal triggering erratically, and I was ready to take it apart to see what the problem was until I remembered I had set the crosstalk to 24 — waaaay more than needed. I reset it back to the default 15 and the issue went away. Just another little thing to keep in mind when dialing in your settings.
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thenewdrummer
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Rob wrote:You probably have the hihat xTalk control set too high.
Thanks it fixed my problem.

It was at 50 and I had to place it to something like 5.

Just for personal information, why crosstalk on the pedal? I understand on a pad or cymbal. How vibration can go in the pedal?

Is it because it takes control of the hihat cymbals? I understand maybe for impact mode?
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thenewdrummer wrote:
Rob wrote:You probably have the hihat xTalk control set too high.
Thanks it fixed my problem.

It was at 50 and I had to place it to something like 5.

Just for personal information, why crosstalk on the pedal? I understand on a pad or cymbal. How vibration can go in the pedal?

Is it because it takes control of the hihat cymbals? I understand maybe for impact mode?
Closing the pedal with a hi-hat mounted on a normal stand will trigger the cymbal pad. Pedal crosstalk cancellation ensures the foot 'chick' sound is triggered and ignores the pad vibration.

Impact is the mode for the 2 hat style (VH13) but the stand mounted controller (VH11 / Goedrum) is classed as 'pedal' as the information sent to eDRUMin is the same type as a pedal.

You're right that a pedal controller with an isolated hi-hat pad is already immune to pedal crosstalk.

The hi-hat pad crosstalk is incase the snare or cymbal share the same mounting arm (for example).
thenewdrummer
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MWJT42 wrote:
thenewdrummer wrote:
Rob wrote:You probably have the hihat xTalk control set too high.
Thanks it fixed my problem.

It was at 50 and I had to place it to something like 5.

Just for personal information, why crosstalk on the pedal? I understand on a pad or cymbal. How vibration can go in the pedal?

Is it because it takes control of the hihat cymbals? I understand maybe for impact mode?
Closing the pedal with a hi-hat mounted on a normal stand will trigger the cymbal pad. Pedal crosstalk cancellation ensures the foot 'chick' sound is triggered and ignores the pad vibration.

Impact is the mode for the 2 hat style (VH13) but the stand mounted controller (VH11 / Goedrum) is classed as 'pedal' as the information sent to eDRUMin is the same type as a pedal.

You're right that a pedal controller with an isolated hi-hat pad is already immune to pedal crosstalk.

The hi-hat pad crosstalk is incase the snare or cymbal share the same mounting arm (for example).
I see, thanks for the explanation.
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monospace wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:15 am
Can confirm that the crosstalk settings are really, really sensitive, and not just on the hihat. I was having issues with a CY-14 crash cymbal triggering erratically, and I was ready to take it apart to see what the problem was until I remembered I had set the crosstalk to 24 — waaaay more than needed. I reset it back to the default 15 and the issue went away. Just another little thing to keep in mind when dialing in your settings.
I think you left it at 24 in your CY-14 preset... So I was seeing missing hits on my hihat until I saw that... back to 15 and it's all good
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Not sure if 15 is still the default but I'm using 7-8 now on all triggers that share a rack and that works fine too.
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