Using "Dual Mono": questions
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:30 pm
Hello Rob,
First off, I would like to thank you for creating such an awesome device as the eDrumin. I used VST sounds from the start and was always hoping for a good trigger-to-midi-device.
I just got my eDrumin and I am blown away by how easy and fast it was to get better Hihat results than with my old module. The software, the build quality, the size, the price...it's amazing, especially considering that you did it all by yourself. So sincerely thank you...and also for the customer support on this forum, you usually reply very quickly.
And for all the people that would like to see more inputs: just use 2 or 3 eDrumins. It's more convenient from a cable management point of view, more flexible all in all. Just make sure to have mechanical separation of the stands. Just my 2 cents.
Back to topic: I have a couple of questions about the Dual Mono mode. I would like to use one input of the eDrumin to connect my bass drum (Roland KD-7) and my crash cymbal (Roland CY-8).
I am aware that I will lose one zone of the cymbal, but I only need it to trigger one sound, so that would be okay.
But I read in the manual that setting the wrong pad type in the eDrumin Software might damage the pads over time so I figured I'd ask here first:
Is it possible to use 2 different kind of pads in Dual Mono mode? The KD-7 is a one-zone pad made out of rubber with one piezo (I guess center-mounted) and the CY-8 is dual zone (piezo-switch). Will that cause problems?
Also which pad type should I choose since I use them in Dual Mono mode? I know that I can assign the pad type of both mono signals individually, but there is no option "mono pad". The CY-8 would be "Dual-Zone Cymbal", since it's Piezo-Switch although I use it as a mono cymbal. Is that correct?
But what is the correct pad type for the KD-7? Is it a "Mesh Center Piezo" (although it's not a mesh head but rubber and not 2-Zone but 1-Zone)....or is it a "Rubber Pad" (since it's made of rubber although it has no switch)?
I would use "Mesh Center Piezo" since it makes more sense to me to ignore the material of the pad rather than the wiring. Is that correct? Or do I need to choose a totally different pad type?
And another question: If I used the correct pad types, will it be possible to use the "Edge Sense" function with the CY-8 in the Dual Mono mode? Or will that cause problems because it's originally a two-zone piezo-switch cymbal? In the manual it says that you can use Edge Sense "when the Input Mode is set to ‘Mono’ or ‘Dual Input’, and the Pad Type is a pad".
Does it also work with the CY-8? Or will it cause damage over time?
If the "Edge Sense" function also works with cymbal (pads), what do you - in the manual - consider to *not* be a pad? Acoustic triggers?
Again, thanks for all the work you put into this. I just set up my Medeli (two-zone center-mounted piezo mesh head ) snare. It never felt that good/natural to play it. The rimshot, sidestick, center...everything plays smoothly and dynamically. The detection works great. Even the hotspotting got a lot better because of your "Hotspot Suppression". It's really impressive.
The only thing I couldn't try out yet are positional sensing (none of my pads supports this) and using 3-Zone-Cymbals in combination with "Bell sense" (I have none yet). Judging by what I've seen so far, my guess is that these two functions will work like a charm, too. I am looking forward to trying them out soon.
I just ordered a DDT MS-140 snare because I'd like to have 14" and better overall build quality for my snare. If you'd like, I could also give you a feedback on how well that pad works with eDrumin.
Best regards,
Pim
(Edit: typos and clearer language)
First off, I would like to thank you for creating such an awesome device as the eDrumin. I used VST sounds from the start and was always hoping for a good trigger-to-midi-device.
I just got my eDrumin and I am blown away by how easy and fast it was to get better Hihat results than with my old module. The software, the build quality, the size, the price...it's amazing, especially considering that you did it all by yourself. So sincerely thank you...and also for the customer support on this forum, you usually reply very quickly.
And for all the people that would like to see more inputs: just use 2 or 3 eDrumins. It's more convenient from a cable management point of view, more flexible all in all. Just make sure to have mechanical separation of the stands. Just my 2 cents.
Back to topic: I have a couple of questions about the Dual Mono mode. I would like to use one input of the eDrumin to connect my bass drum (Roland KD-7) and my crash cymbal (Roland CY-8).
I am aware that I will lose one zone of the cymbal, but I only need it to trigger one sound, so that would be okay.
But I read in the manual that setting the wrong pad type in the eDrumin Software might damage the pads over time so I figured I'd ask here first:
Is it possible to use 2 different kind of pads in Dual Mono mode? The KD-7 is a one-zone pad made out of rubber with one piezo (I guess center-mounted) and the CY-8 is dual zone (piezo-switch). Will that cause problems?
Also which pad type should I choose since I use them in Dual Mono mode? I know that I can assign the pad type of both mono signals individually, but there is no option "mono pad". The CY-8 would be "Dual-Zone Cymbal", since it's Piezo-Switch although I use it as a mono cymbal. Is that correct?
But what is the correct pad type for the KD-7? Is it a "Mesh Center Piezo" (although it's not a mesh head but rubber and not 2-Zone but 1-Zone)....or is it a "Rubber Pad" (since it's made of rubber although it has no switch)?
I would use "Mesh Center Piezo" since it makes more sense to me to ignore the material of the pad rather than the wiring. Is that correct? Or do I need to choose a totally different pad type?
And another question: If I used the correct pad types, will it be possible to use the "Edge Sense" function with the CY-8 in the Dual Mono mode? Or will that cause problems because it's originally a two-zone piezo-switch cymbal? In the manual it says that you can use Edge Sense "when the Input Mode is set to ‘Mono’ or ‘Dual Input’, and the Pad Type is a pad".
Does it also work with the CY-8? Or will it cause damage over time?
If the "Edge Sense" function also works with cymbal (pads), what do you - in the manual - consider to *not* be a pad? Acoustic triggers?
Again, thanks for all the work you put into this. I just set up my Medeli (two-zone center-mounted piezo mesh head ) snare. It never felt that good/natural to play it. The rimshot, sidestick, center...everything plays smoothly and dynamically. The detection works great. Even the hotspotting got a lot better because of your "Hotspot Suppression". It's really impressive.
The only thing I couldn't try out yet are positional sensing (none of my pads supports this) and using 3-Zone-Cymbals in combination with "Bell sense" (I have none yet). Judging by what I've seen so far, my guess is that these two functions will work like a charm, too. I am looking forward to trying them out soon.
I just ordered a DDT MS-140 snare because I'd like to have 14" and better overall build quality for my snare. If you'd like, I could also give you a feedback on how well that pad works with eDrumin.
Best regards,
Pim
(Edit: typos and clearer language)