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Quick question about Lemon HiHats (LE-HHC12) and ED

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:06 pm
by LooseSends
I should be receiving these HH soon and had a question about how ED handles them.

My current HH setup is a separate DIY hall sensor mapped to levels running through Addictive Drums 2 with a single generic 8" cymbal pad as trigger. Although there are a few separate fully open HH articulations, it seems AD only has about 5 actual opening transition level sounds which is adequate but I'm wondering if I don't fully understand how HH are handled.

I'm changing over from my DIY to the LE-HHC12 for a more natural feel, and that the Alesis pads seem too hot and don't work with positional sensing.

Do electronic kit HiHats all do levels to trigger specific samples or is there a continuous mode that sounds more natural?

I imagine that moving to an actual open/close 2 pad system will mimic natural HH in feel more or less, but is there a better way to use them with AD?

Re: Quick question about Lemon HiHats (LE-HHC12) and ED

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 12:34 pm
by pumpkinking
I have a lemon hihat and I just send the openness as a continuous CC value to SD3. Never used it any other way so I'm not able to compare the alternatives.

Re: Quick question about Lemon HiHats (LE-HHC12) and ED

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:35 am
by LooseSends
Looks like they're functionally similar to Roland VH-12 / VH-13 so now that they just landed I'll see if there's a preset to work from in the ED control software or just set it up same as my current profile.

Re: Quick question about Lemon HiHats (LE-HHC12) and ED

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:34 pm
by LooseSends
Came in last night and tweaked for a while to get it going well with "levels" but I'm really curious how a CC would be able to change the articulation throughout all the open sounds without triggering different samples since it's not just a volume change?

Maybe SD3 handles the triggering different openness levels on it's end behind the scenes?

Or I'm totally missing something.

Re: Quick question about Lemon HiHats (LE-HHC12) and ED

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:55 pm
by pumpkinking
It is a fair question. I do not know how SD3 is actually working behind the scenes, but when sending CC directly to SD3 for a hihat pedal, I can change the openness sound with the pedal *after* the cymbal trigger and the openness of the decaying hit changes. Given that CC notes are continuously transmitted from the ED, I imagine that SD3 must be seamlessly swapping samples with various openness levels while matching both the original hit volume *and* the time on the decay curve.

Re: Quick question about Lemon HiHats (LE-HHC12) and ED

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:37 pm
by LooseSends
pumpkinking wrote:
Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:55 pm
It is a fair question. I do not know how SD3 is actually working behind the scenes, but when sending CC directly to SD3 for a hihat pedal, I can change the openness sound with the pedal *after* the cymbal trigger and the openness of the decaying hit changes. Given that CC notes are continuously transmitted from the ED, I imagine that SD3 must be seamlessly swapping samples with various openness levels while matching both the original hit volume *and* the time on the decay curve.
I expect it's the same thing, and likely set up similarly. The CC goes to SD/AD2 and gets translated to level changes there, although ED can also do this on it's end as well.

I think in my case I'm doing the levels from ED and triggering the articulations in AD2, so a bit backwards perhaps.

You must find that the translation is perfect by default if you don't touch anything in SD. I've had to adjust those level triggers to feel more natural but YMMV.