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Acoustic to Electric Conversion - Trigger Recommendations

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:08 pm
by Methuselah.guitar
I'm looking at converting an acoustic kit to and electric/hybrid kit for studio work. I've been researching different trigger options, and I feel more lost then when I started.

Jobeky comes up a lot, but from what I've read, and although they are fairly inexpensive, its seems like they should be avoided.

I've looked into rdrum as well, they are obviously pretty pricy, everyone that has reviewed them tend to love them. That being said, I was also looking at Extreme drum triggers as well, but I haven't been able to find any reviews really. I know with side mounted triggers you lose the ability to use positional senseing, but I know guys like V drum workshop and 65 drums tend to prefer side mounted triggers, so you don't have to worry so much about hotspotting.

if anyone has any recommendations, I'm all ears. The thing I'm most concerned about is accurate triggering

Thanks for your time!

Re: Acoustic to Electric Conversion - Trigger Recommendations

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:40 am
by MWJT42
eDRUMin is so surprisingly good, that it doesn't matter what triggers you use, so don't over think it. Centre hot spots aren't a problem anymore with the supression algorithm.
I went with side mounted for all toms and kick thinking it was important, with Goedrum triggers (makes sure you use the 'thick shell' versions). However, I found that I actually get hot spots from the side mounted as I tend to use the whole drum head, so if I did it again I would go with centre as the hot spot supression is perfect on the snare. I use the toms and kick on mono channels (using splitters) to free up 3 inputs for dual zone cymbals.

I have a Jobeky AI centre bar on the snare, but it's not great. The lug fitting doesn't fit my Tama snare well. Whatever you use, make sure its sturdy. The positional sensing and rim shot / side stick is perfect and easy to dial in

Re: Acoustic to Electric Conversion - Trigger Recommendations

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:05 am
by Rabidreject
Hello mate,
Congratulations on deciding to join the edrum arena. I converted my acoustic kit about 6 months ago and I LOVE it now I have my edrumin unit. It can basically handle anything iv thrown at it.

I ended up using jobeky triggers for my drums as they are one of the only UK based electric drum manufacturers I could find at the time.
That being said, although iv read all the horror stories they were actually really good for me. I had an alesis DM10 at the time and the woman who handles CS called me pretty much straight away and proved a little deeper to figure out what would work best on my module, which was nice.
I had some issues when I first fitted the snare as well so I emailed her and she came straight back to me.
I’m not telling you to go for them so if you do and there are issues I take no responsibility, I'm just giving you my experience.
I ended up with a centre mount trigger for the snare, centre mount kick drum trigger and side triggers for my two toms.

They work pretty well. I’m still kind of dialling in the snare in terms of figuring out the areas that trigger rimshots and centre hit. I believe this would be easer if I were using superior drummer though.
The trigger signal is pretty hot and some people do complain about this. I ended up changing the foam cylinder to a softer cone style piece of foam but it didn’t really make that much of a difference and the hotspot suppression worked better before but now the foam is softer it doesn’t work but also doesn’t hot spot nearly as badly- if at all. In other words swings and roundabouts!

I recently broke my ride cymbal and was deciding between the Lemon 18” rubber cymbal and the jobeky 20” LV and I ended up coming across another UK based electric drum company called diamond drums. I am waiting for one of their 20” tripple zone ride cymbals now but my point is they also make triggers that look v similar to jobeky so if you want something similar to their product but without the hassle of dealing with the sometimes great experience, sometimes aweful experience you could try them.
They don’t have a ‘store’ on their website so you need to email them and get in the waiting list but it’s not a long wait. I’ll have been waiting a week this weekend and Dave said he would post it today or tomorrow so yeah.
I can’t vouch for the quality of their product as of yet but I did some Googling and the response about their gear is v good. He also apparently checks and tests everything before sending which is good and something jobeky don’t do by the sounds of things.

Hopefully this info is useful to you.

What I can tell you is if you are after a device to make your e kit incredibly dynamic and realistic the edrumin is a relatively cheap device that is simply top notch. Iv not spoke to someone who has been disappointed by it so far!

Re: Acoustic to Electric Conversion - Trigger Recommendations

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:22 pm
by perceval
Methuselah, where are you situated?

Might help to give suggestions.
Mentioning Jobeky, you might be in the UK, and if so, there is another that is way more responsive, stands behind his stuff and even bought an eDRUMin to make sure his stuff was compatible. That'd be Dave at Diamond Drums/Percussions.

Myself, I'm half way across the world and decided the shipping was way too expensive, so I made my toms with side mounted triggers (a L bracket, a piezo and a foam column), my snare with a center mounted piezo (mounted a bar across the lugs), used Yamaha cymbals (cheaper than Roland and all 3 zones with one cable only).

Made a FSR based HH pedal, used a practice pad with a piezo behind for kick, and off I was! :)

It's not rocket science. You don't need the very elaborate (and expensive) spider looking triggers or similar.
The magic is in the eDRUMin device.

Re: Acoustic to Electric Conversion - Trigger Recommendations

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:03 pm
by Rabidreject
Yeah agreed…

I do often read in the DIY section of vdrum forum that quite a few people go that route then end up fiddling with the wiring and stuff more than playing but Iv definitely seen it doesn’t appear to be that hard at all.
I just didn’t trust myself to make something like that and it actually still work a few years down the road!

Re: Acoustic to Electric Conversion - Trigger Recommendations

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:24 pm
by Rabidreject
Also Dave from diamond drums actually sent me a video of my ride cymbal plugged into an edrumin before sending which was cool. But yeh I forget people arnt in the UK a lot of the time

Re: Acoustic to Electric Conversion - Trigger Recommendations

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:24 am
by dsteinschneider
I've been happy with Mitch at UFO Drums. Simple center mounted (using lug nuts) metal cross bar with a piezo mount that can be situated at any point on the bar and then the piezo itself is adjustable up and down. Get the longer jacks. His bass drum includes a big foam "pillow" - it feels nice and triggers well. The mounts use rubber grommets at the connection point between the bar and the bracket that mounts to the shell to isolate vibration. You could do something like it yourself but I found it reasonably priced and was happy to have Mitch think through all the nuances that make it work well.