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3 zone Lemon cymbal with only 1 input
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:57 pm
by mprinz
Hi guys,
has anyone tried to reconfigure a Lemon cymbal to a Yamaha style 3 zone pad using a 10kohms resistor?
I am asking because I ordered a few and it would be great to use all the zones, but ... I just have only 1 input left for the bell switch of the ride.
And here, I am at work right now, and I get the idea ....hmmm ... nope..... If I have to open it up anyway to switch the zones, what about soldering a 10k resistor into the bell switch circuit and wire it to the first TRS input.
That should work fine.
Alesis/Medeli are also using the 10k method, I guess.
I mean, It's a common technique to mark different locations of a switch.
Greetings
Manuel
Re: 3 zone Lemon cymbal with only 1 input
Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:56 am
by Rob
Interestingly, the resistance o the bell Switch on my 18" Lemon Ride varies from 30 ohms to 90 ohm and on the edge from 36 ohms to 180 ohms. It might be possible to detect where on the bell the pad is hit.
Re: 3 zone Lemon cymbal with only 1 input
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:34 pm
by mprinz
Hi,
yes, that's what I measure too.
Re: 3 zone Lemon cymbal with only 1 input
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:25 pm
by Rob
I doubt I would be able to reliably get any positional information from the switch, but you should be able to make an adapter of sorts to get is working with the Yamaha preset. I have some time today so I might make one of those adapters for myself.
Re: 3 zone Lemon cymbal with only 1 input
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:20 am
by Rob
I made my adapter this morning. Works great.
Re: 3 zone Lemon cymbal with only 1 input
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:25 am
by mprinz
Hi Rob,
what did you do? You left the cymbal alone and soldered a 2x TRS to single TRS? of course together with the resistor.
So, why is Roland using two connections.
I thought of like, it maybe more reliable than an PCB with resistor...
I don't know. At least with the Yamaha technique you could get dozens of zones on one input...
haha, new project the eDrumIn100 with one input.
Edit: Ahh, nay, you need to know from which pad the piezo signal is coming.
Re: 3 zone Lemon cymbal with only 1 input
Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:07 pm
by mprinz
Ok, someone already assembled an adapter for this.
Very detailed, awesome tutorial by RetroRambler at vdrums.com.
https://www.vdrums.com/forum/advanced/d ... pter-cable
But I think I will mod the 39$ cymbals itself.
That would be another story with a 500$ ATV ride.
I will put that link into the main eDrumIn forum, if there is no thread about that topic already.
Re: 3 zone Lemon cymbal with only 1 input
Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:19 am
by javiercarrillo
I just got my eDRUMin 10 (thanks, Rob!) and also ordered some Lemon cymbals and was thinking about doing the same trick to only use 1 input instead of 2.
Rob, if I read you correctly, by doing this, we kill any chances of positional sensing for the cymbals? (was that even supported for the Lemon cymbals in the first place?).
Re: 3 zone Lemon cymbal with only 1 input
Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:14 am
by mprinz
Hi,
no, there is no cymbal with a fine pos sense feature.
Only edge, bow, bell.
I think he was brooding about what may be possible if the resistance was reproducible.
But therefore, I think one would need real, expensive softpots.
Re: 3 zone Lemon cymbal with only 1 input
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:54 pm
by Rob
I don't think positional sensing is possible with the Lemon cymbals, but even if it was possible, the 10K resistor trick would not affect positional sensing data. I don't think positional sensing with the Lemon cymbals is possible, but I have a pretty good idea how to do it for Roland VH-12 -> VH-15, I just don't have any room left on the UI!