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Using Edrumin4 with a drum module

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:59 am
by Pejannl
Hi there. I own an Alesis Crimson II SE kit. I like the voices in the module so I am not planning to add something like a DAW (?) to my kit.

However, the ride of this kit is not very good and it is particularly difficult to trigger the bell. The ride of the kit has a single connector to the module.

I am thinking of changing the ride to another brand, but that will almost certainly be a dual plug cymbal.

Question:

1) Can the eDrumin4 be used to connect a ride cymbal, such as Jobeky LV?

2) Can the midi note(s) sent by the eDrumin module be interpreted as a ricde cymbal in the Crimson II module?

On top of that, would it be possible to expand the number of cymbals (indirectly) connected to the module or will the cymbals connected through the eDrumin module merely replace internal cymbals in the module? I.e. when I add another crash cymbal, will the Alesis Crimson module then be able to use 3 crash cymbals or will the additional cymbal merely replace one of the existing cymbals?

Cheers, Peter

Re: Using Edrumin4 with a drum module

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:37 pm
by perceval
I've never owned an Alesis module, but they share some similarities with Yamaha modules, in connections at least.

Your module has MIDI in, so it should be ok to trigger module's sounds with the eDRUMin.

You are limited by the number of inputs in your module, but...
In my Yamaha module, I could assign a splash or china sound to my crash 2, meaning the sounds are already in the module.
If you can do the same, then you can expand your module with these extra sounds.
So, you can keep your crash 1 and 2 from the module, but add your ride and 3 extra pads with an eDRUMin 4 (or 10 if you want a mega kit!)

Re: Using Edrumin4 with a drum module

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:51 am
by Tkydon
1) Yes, the eDRUMin can be used to connect a Ride such as Jobeky LV
See the Unoffical Support List
For 2 Cable Rides, you can either choose to use both cables, or a single cable with Bell Sense

2) The midi note(s) sent by the eDrumin module can be configured to be the same as the internal ride cymbal in the Crimson II module
Ride Bow - 51 - D#3
Ride Bell - 53 - F3
Ride Edge - 59 - B3
(See Manual P.9)

GM Mode needs to be set to Off to play the Internal Sounds
(See Manual P.10, P.12)


"On top of that, would it be possible to expand the number of cymbals (indirectly) connected to the module or will the cymbals connected through the eDrumin module merely replace internal cymbals in the module? I.e. when I add another crash cymbal, will the Alesis Crimson module then be able to use 3 crash cymbals or will the additional cymbal merely replace one of the existing cymbals?"

It depends what you want to do.
I don't think there is any way to assign Instruments to MIDI Notes that are not assigned to physical triggers in the Crimson. (I may be wrong. Please double check.)
In that case, you can configure Cymbals connected to the eDRUMin to the same MIDI Notes as assigned to Pads and configure Instruments to those Notes.
Do you use your Tom Rims? If not, you could use those MIDI Notes
Tom 1 Rim - 82 - Assign to Cymbal 3 Bow
Tom 2 Rim - 80 - Assign to Cymbal 3 Edge
Tom 3 Rim - 75 - Assign to Cymbal 4 Bow
Tom 4 Rim - 73 - Assign to Cymbal 4 Edge

I would change the MIDI Note assigned to Crash 1 Edge from 49 to 55
I would change the MIDI Note assigned to Crash 2 Edge from 57 to 52
so that you can distinguish the Bow and Edge in MIDI

Then, you can configure the MIDI Notes to the same as the Connected Cymbals, so have two Pads that play the same sounds. (Not the best, I know, but you can have 2 physical cymbals of Crash 1 and then reassign the Instruments of Crash 2 to a Splash or China, etc...)

If the Crimson has some way to assign Instruments to MIDI Notes not assigned to physical triggers, then you can use those Notes, but I don't see any such config in the manual... (Some Roland modules use Percussion Sets. Pearl Mimic uses some 'MIDI Pads' assigned in software.) If you find a way to do this, please feed back...

HTH