Not enough inputs, is another version being produced? I need 15 inputs!

TheJay
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Re: Not enough inputs, is another version being produced? I need 15 inputs!

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From your description you say you plug your headphones into the audio interface, so is the eDRUMin translating the triggers into real sounds before reaching the audio interface or relaying back from the PC?

Do I just need a three port USB Hub?

Also, can you please explain what happened with your Jobeky cymbal.

Lastly, I see a pedal would be good to change snare from reso to non reso. Can you recommend a reasonably priced pedal that is suitable?
Mylo
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Re: Not enough inputs, is another version being produced? I need 15 inputs!

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TheJay wrote:From your description you say you plug your headphones into the audio interface, so is the eDRUMin translating the triggers into real sounds before reaching the audio interface or relaying back from the PC?
No... I messed up. Too many wires... input chain is: trigger => eDRUMin => USB hub => PC/SD3. Output chain is: PC/SD3 => USB hub => 2i4 => Amp/Headphones. I have one USB cable going from the PC to the USB hub. Everything else (eDRUMins and 2i4) plug into the hub.
TheJay wrote:Do I just need a three port USB Hub?
I think you’d need at least three probably four depending on how many your PC has and how many of your PC’s you want to use. I wouldn’t be too skimpy on it. There’s always more things to plug in. I bought a four port at first now I have the seven.
TheJay wrote:Also, can you please explain what happened with your Jobeky cymbal.
Nothing happened to it... it didn’t get fried or anything. Bell Sense just didn’t work with it.
TheJay wrote:Lastly, I see a pedal would be good to change snare from reso to non reso. Can you recommend a reasonably priced pedal that is suitable?
Unfortunately I haven’t shopped for pedals yet so I have no recommendations. It is on my ToDo list so I can play with these Note Banks Rob gave us.
TheJay
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Re: Not enough inputs, is another version being produced? I need 15 inputs!

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Thanks for clarifying.

I thought people were talking about an audio interface to help push the signal through more quickly to the PC? Did I misunderstand?

Will I need the Scarlett 2i4 for three modules?

What hardware is inside your Lenovo Ideapad 330S?

Which VST had recordings from famous artists in rock/punk bands?
Mylo
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Re: Not enough inputs, is another version being produced? I need 15 inputs!

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TheJay wrote:Thanks for clarifying.

I thought people were talking about an audio interface to help push the signal through more quickly to the PC? Did I misunderstand?

Will I need the Scarlett 2i4 for three modules?

What hardware is inside your Lenovo Ideapad 330S?

Which VST had recordings from famous artists in rock/punk bands?
I think these audio interface are input and output. The big thing to all of this is to bypass all the Windows audio drivers and internal audio. I’m only using my 2i4 for output if I understand all this correctly.
SD3 settings pointing to ASIO Focusrite USB
SD3 settings pointing to ASIO Focusrite USB
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TheJay
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Re: Not enough inputs, is another version being produced? I need 15 inputs!

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Okay, not quite what I thought then. It's used as an output because it realistically recreates the sounds from the VST?

Will I need the Scarlett 2i4 for three modules?

What hardware is inside your Lenovo Ideapad 330S?

Which VST had recordings from famous artists in rock/punk bands?
Mylo
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Re: Not enough inputs, is another version being produced? I need 15 inputs!

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TheJay wrote:Okay, not quite what I thought then. It's used as an output because it realistically recreates the sounds from the VST?

Will I need the Scarlett 2i4 for three modules?

What hardware is inside your Lenovo Ideapad 330S?

Which VST had recordings from famous artists in rock/punk bands?
We’re starting to get into some technical areas I don’t feel expert enough to talk about. But from what I see on my machine is this... one option for Device type for output is Windows Audio which I can direct to the 2i4 or the laptop speakers (which really suck). Using Windows Audio seems to only allow a buffer size of 480 or more at 48000Hz sample rate causing noticeable latency. I’d say .25 to .5 seconds. So that isn’t an option for me.

However, with the proper ASIO drivers installed (which bypass all the Windows Audio stack) I can select Device Type of ASIO and select the 2i4 as the ASIO Device and I get really low latency using 128 buffer size at 48000Hz sample rate. See my screen shot from before.

I can’t pick ASIO and direct it to my PC speakers. It is not an option in the drop downs. To use ASIO to get the speeds we need, it appears you need some kind of interface that is compatible with ASIO, like the 2i4.

You can try it without the Interface and see what you get. And there may be other options I don’t know about. Please don’t consider my opinions as gospel. They are based on what I know at the moment and I am constantly learning. :D

I like the 2i4 interface because I can keep everything plugged in. When I practice I leave the amp off and use the headphones. But if someone wants to hear me play I just turn the amp on and bang away and still hear everything in my headphones. I also plug my Strike Multipad into it so I can hear it in my headphones and amp.

I use SD3 and really like it. It is very powerful. There are many expansions for it and if you don’t like what is in the box the Mixer is quite impressive and you can pretty much create any style you like whether it be small and dry or big and boomy. It is limited only by your imagination.

I’ll let you google Lenovo Ideapad 330s. Basically an i5 at 1.6Ghz, 8GB memory and 1TB hard drive (not SSD).
TheJay
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Re: Not enough inputs, is another version being produced? I need 15 inputs!

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Thanks for all your help, I'm starting to get a good idea now.

Couldn't you achieve the same thing with a 2i2 though?
Mylo
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Re: Not enough inputs, is another version being produced? I need 15 inputs!

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TheJay wrote:Thanks for all your help, I'm starting to get a good idea now.

Couldn't you achieve the same thing with a 2i2 though?
So it looks like Focusrite has revamped their lineup. I have a 2i4 2nd Gen which now appears to be the 4i4. And yes it appears the 2i2 would do the same thing. When I bought my 2i4 2nd Gen I decided to just pay the extra $50 to get the 5 DIN MIDI In/Out and extra 1/4” I/O. Like I said earlier... always an eye toward expansion. I seem to buy the level above just what I need... if I can afford it.
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Re: Not enough inputs, is another version being produced? I need 15 inputs!

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Actually... looking further at the Scarlet line the Solo is probably fine but it is the bare minimum. It is USB, has headphones and line outs.

And an audio interface has nothing to do with the sound of a VST. It is just what it says it is. An interface to get music in from an instrument like a guitar or mic or provide an interface to direct sounds to other devices, headphones or amps, etc.
TheJay
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Re: Not enough inputs, is another version being produced? I need 15 inputs!

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Thanks for your reply.

If the audio interface is being used as an output only but not doing anything special, why use one over the headphone jack on a laptop/PC? Just trying to understand the advantage.

It's obvious that it would be useful for a PA, if I was planning to use one occasionally. I definitely won't be connecting it to an AV amplifier though.
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