TranslationOk, so I have an ED4 on it’s way to me in the post and I’m wondering…
Iv bought some splitter cables to plug into the ED4 to maybe double the amount of ports then use the edge sense tech to get two ‘zones’ but I was curious.
If I used a splitter on port one and plugged in the hi hat and kick drum to port one, is the hi hat pedal going to affect both pads that are plugged in to port 1 or does it automatically recognise it only needs to change the values of the hi hat and not the kick. Obviously I’m talking about when you change the input to dual mono. I’m hoping to be able to use 8 inputs on the ED4 when it comes but was coming to the conclusion it would probably not let me do all 4 ports if I want a working hi hat.
Hopefully I made myself clear, I’m not very good at explaining!
Regards
RR
Splitter cables
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Dadwrshpdrum
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Re: Splitter cables
HH Pedal only affects the HH pad you link to the pedal. Even if the input is split into two mono pads.
There are some situations that a split input needs to have the correct mono input connected in the correct side (tip or ring). Those are documented somewhere in this forum. If I remember it is the bell cable for a two cable Roland style ride cymbal. I use bell sense so I don’t use this feature. I don’t know of a module that let’s you split an input for a bell cable so that is a plus for eDRUMin. The other one I know of is splitting a BT1 signal. I found I had to plug BT1 into tip port of splitter. That was required for the BT1 to work correctly. The entire BT1 setup with eDRUMin I think is much better than Roland’s setup, for example input can’t be split and in xtalk mode eDRUMin has the ability to link BT1 to the connected pad (if mounted in rim).
There are some situations that a split input needs to have the correct mono input connected in the correct side (tip or ring). Those are documented somewhere in this forum. If I remember it is the bell cable for a two cable Roland style ride cymbal. I use bell sense so I don’t use this feature. I don’t know of a module that let’s you split an input for a bell cable so that is a plus for eDRUMin. The other one I know of is splitting a BT1 signal. I found I had to plug BT1 into tip port of splitter. That was required for the BT1 to work correctly. The entire BT1 setup with eDRUMin I think is much better than Roland’s setup, for example input can’t be split and in xtalk mode eDRUMin has the ability to link BT1 to the connected pad (if mounted in rim).
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Rabidreject
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Re: Splitter cables
That’s an awesome answer but..what’s BT1? Lol I can’t figure it out…I’m not a Roland guy
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Rabidreject
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Re: Splitter cables
Oh also I meant to ask, if you can use a splitter and plug two mono pads in and still get both of them have two zones. Why doesn’t everyone just use splitters on every single input. Or do they?
I guess what I’m at is, is there any benefit to using 4 dual zone cables with 4 dual zone pads as opposed to 8 pads with splitters using the edge sense to get two zones. Is the first more reliable or something?
Cheers
I guess what I’m at is, is there any benefit to using 4 dual zone cables with 4 dual zone pads as opposed to 8 pads with splitters using the edge sense to get two zones. Is the first more reliable or something?
Cheers
Re: Splitter cables
Edge sense can't give you rimshots.
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Rabidreject
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Re: Splitter cables
Got ya. No positional sensing then on dual mono. Ok I get you. That’s still cool though. I love the way it knows what you are doing. Man I wish Chinese post was faster lol
Re: Splitter cables
Positional sensing works on dual mono, just no rimshots.
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Rabidreject
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Re: Splitter cables
That is interesting. At the risk of sounding like an amateur, I completely thought that positional sensing was just the module recognising the difference between rim shots and centre shots. Obviously I get that side stick is usually done by a seperate piezo coz that’s why they r 2 zone.
I’m actually relatively new to drumming…well sort of. I came across a cheap pawn shop kit like 5 or 6 years ago but then got sent to prison for 4 years so was obviously well out practice, came out and sold my kit coz I needed dough but now I have my own place to live I decided to get playing again so got an e kit coz I live in a flat and that’s me now really. Have had an e kit that’s been ever changing and evolving into what I have now.
I am ok I would say but iv never had a lesson. I feel iv always been a drummer as iv always tapped on stuff and iv played guitar and done recording studio stuff since I was real young I just never actually got a kit.
Now that being said, I mainly play punk rock and iv obviously never had a drum lesson and therefore never learnt all the actual terms for what I’m talking about lol.
So… side stick is hitting the hoop of the rim to get a click, rim shot is hitting near the edge of the skin on the snare and obviously hitting in the centre you get what you get.
I just assumed positional sensing was the module actually knowing where on the drum you are hitting and giving you the appropriate sound so side stick if you hit the rim, rim shot if you hit near the outer edge of the skin and so on. I don’t understand how you can have positional sensing without rim shots….
I’m really sorry to go back to basics…I started with alesis and they don’t have a lot of controls. I’m working my way through all your videos and reading your manual but a lot of times it says how to get a rim shot sound but not actually what it is lol
I know this is stupid basics but have I got something misunderstood somewhere along the way here.
Thanks for helping me learn…
Although, not experienced…I find it SUPER useful and in particular, interesting!
I’m actually relatively new to drumming…well sort of. I came across a cheap pawn shop kit like 5 or 6 years ago but then got sent to prison for 4 years so was obviously well out practice, came out and sold my kit coz I needed dough but now I have my own place to live I decided to get playing again so got an e kit coz I live in a flat and that’s me now really. Have had an e kit that’s been ever changing and evolving into what I have now.
I am ok I would say but iv never had a lesson. I feel iv always been a drummer as iv always tapped on stuff and iv played guitar and done recording studio stuff since I was real young I just never actually got a kit.
Now that being said, I mainly play punk rock and iv obviously never had a drum lesson and therefore never learnt all the actual terms for what I’m talking about lol.
So… side stick is hitting the hoop of the rim to get a click, rim shot is hitting near the edge of the skin on the snare and obviously hitting in the centre you get what you get.
I just assumed positional sensing was the module actually knowing where on the drum you are hitting and giving you the appropriate sound so side stick if you hit the rim, rim shot if you hit near the outer edge of the skin and so on. I don’t understand how you can have positional sensing without rim shots….
I’m really sorry to go back to basics…I started with alesis and they don’t have a lot of controls. I’m working my way through all your videos and reading your manual but a lot of times it says how to get a rim shot sound but not actually what it is lol
I know this is stupid basics but have I got something misunderstood somewhere along the way here.
Thanks for helping me learn…
Although, not experienced…I find it SUPER useful and in particular, interesting!
Re: Splitter cables
How you trigger the various sounds depends on your pad and your module and how smart it is.
On a dual piezo pad, modules will compare the the magnitude of the head and rim sensors to determine what sound to trigger.
If it's mostly on the head sensor, it triggers the head sound. If it's mostly on the rim sensor, it triggers the side stick or crosstalk sound. If both sensors have a large magnitudes, it triggers the rimshot.
Positional sensing comes from analyzing the waveform of the signal from the head sensor, and for eDRUMin, it doesn't depend on the rim sensor at all. So if you use a splitter cable, you can have positional sensing on each pad--same for compatible cymbals. eDRUMin can also use waveform analysis to detect side-stick (cross-stick), but not rimshots.
On a dual piezo pad, modules will compare the the magnitude of the head and rim sensors to determine what sound to trigger.
If it's mostly on the head sensor, it triggers the head sound. If it's mostly on the rim sensor, it triggers the side stick or crosstalk sound. If both sensors have a large magnitudes, it triggers the rimshot.
Positional sensing comes from analyzing the waveform of the signal from the head sensor, and for eDRUMin, it doesn't depend on the rim sensor at all. So if you use a splitter cable, you can have positional sensing on each pad--same for compatible cymbals. eDRUMin can also use waveform analysis to detect side-stick (cross-stick), but not rimshots.
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Rabidreject
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Re: Splitter cables
ok I think I get you. To be honest, I think when I have it, and can just play and listen. once set up and tweaked I am sure I will notice a huge difference to the DM10 or trig IO. especially because im using mostly A2E triggers. Im sure just fiddling about and listening to the different sounds in different places on the snare with it using a whole plug socket and doing the same when its plugged into a splitter. im sure I will soon notice the difference. its hard to figure something out when its not in front of you lol. I am also really looking forward to you getting more 10's in stock too. Then I can have everything and more going through the edrumin and not have to worry about the potential of splitters.