Having trouble setting up ATV cymbals.

[Rob]

The gain should drop of course. If you're hitting the edge, the bow peizo is picking up the vibration.

[Mylo]

The gain should drop of course. If you're hitting the edge, the bow peizo is picking up the vibration.

I get that. But with a gain of 6 I have to hit the bow hard, unnaturally hard, just to get a velocity above 80.

After following the calibration video people are coming out of calibration with a low gain setting and wondering why they they can’t get maximum velocity on the bow without hitting it with a sledgehammer.

I suppose after calibration you can adjust the gain or the curve to help.

[Turpsee]

There must be a bug there somewhere. Had you used the calibration feature before having the problem?

I had. Once I got the edge working (I tried a different usb port???) it was still showing up all over the meter for bell sense, whereas the bow hits always fell within the same range.

[Rob]

Ya..I just gave it a try and there are issues, but not the ones you're mentioning. Perhaps I need three scalers.

[Mylo]

This might be related to someone asking for a negative value on the edge scaler. They get the bow right but then the edge is too hot because you can’t go below 1.

I get the issue I think. The bow piezo is pulling double duty to determine velocity for the bow and the edge. You get the bow piezo right for the bow it may be too hot for the edge. Get it right for the edge now it is too cold for the bow.

Maybe three scalers is the way to go. Or, as someone mentioned, be able to go +/- on the edge scaler.

[Rob]

If you allow a scaler to go less than 1, you'll never get full dynamic range. 3 scalers would be the way to go. FYI, my Roland and Yamaha cymbals always need the edge scaler at around 1.2, so no problems there.

[Rob]

As a short term solution, I'll just not calibrate the bow piezo when the edge is struck.

[Mylo]

As a short term solution, I'll just not calibrate the bow piezo when the edge is struck.

Sounds good.

I just checked on the dynamics of my ATV cymbals. When I calibrate just the bow and manually set the Edge and Bell scalers to 1 I get good dynamics on all three zones. I really like these ATVs because the edge switch is very sensitive. Even the lightest hits give me an edge articulation. When I hit the cymbal using similar force on all three zones the velocity is equal across all the hits as I would expect. They play very well.

[Sly]

If you allow a scaler to go less than 1, you'll never get full dynamic range. 3 scalers would be the way to go. FYI, my Roland and Yamaha cymbals always need the edge scaler at around 1.2, so no problems there.

I sometimes would like to get the bezier dynamic curve independant for each midi note. Could be a solution here, no ?
Each pad could then have a "edit midi note only" button to allow to set the curve for the selected midi note, or if the button is not pushed, the curve edit all the note of the pad.

[Rob]

Perhaps in the future...