Zildjian LV converted test

[MWJT42]

Hi, not wanting to interrupt any chat but I need some proper drummers' opinions here

Do you guys feel that metal LV cymbals are worth it? Do they feel better to play than rubber/plastic cymbals?

Yes, especially when crashing on quavers etc, the weight of the cymbal feels right against the stick (although, I'm comparing to a light weight CY8). The rebound on the ride is really nice too and stick noise is about the same as my rubber, but also relevant (if that makes sense) - any stick noise bleeding through my headphones is a wooden stick hitting a metal cymbal, which is what my headphones are playing me anyway!

Currently, mine are single zone (using £4 ukulele pickups) and I miss the edge and bow articulations more than I expected, so will have to upgrade to include (top mounted!) edge switches and eventually the piezo on the ride bell.

Just figuring out the hi hat bottom at the moment, had a part 3D printed to allow the top hat to work with the Goedrum controller.

[AKA Wayne]

I’m a little confused with all the different wiring schemes and what would be best for my set up. I’ll be using a 3 zone ride. Edge switch ring and bow piezo on tip. My bell will be on a separate output altogether wired to just the tip and sleeve. So it’s like a dual zone and single on one cymbal. What’s the best settings to use? Should I use the 3 zone ride setting with two inputs or just use a dual zone input and a mono input? That way I could split an input to have say my bell and my other bell since I’ll have two 3 zone rides. Thanks!

[MWJT42]

I’m a little confused with all the different wiring schemes and what would be best for my set up. I’ll be using a 3 zone ride. Edge switch ring and bow piezo on tip. My bell will be on a separate output altogether wired to just the tip and sleeve. So it’s like a dual zone and single on one cymbal. What’s the best settings to use? Should I use the 3 zone ride setting with two inputs or just use a dual zone input and a mono input? That way I could split an input to have say my bell and my other bell since I’ll have two 3 zone rides. Thanks!

I’ve just signed to literally ask the same thing...!

What is eDRUMin expecting for a 3 zone ride made up of bow piezo, edge switch and bell piezo?

2 inputs, made up of one stereo, bow and edge, and a separate mono bell (like the Roland) or somehow magically into 1 stereo...?

[AKA Wayne]

I’m a little confused with all the different wiring schemes and what would be best for my set up. I’ll be using a 3 zone ride. Edge switch ring and bow piezo on tip. My bell will be on a separate output altogether wired to just the tip and sleeve. So it’s like a dual zone and single on one cymbal. What’s the best settings to use? Should I use the 3 zone ride setting with two inputs or just use a dual zone input and a mono input? That way I could split an input to have say my bell and my other bell since I’ll have two 3 zone rides. Thanks!

I’ve just signed to literally ask the same thing...!

What is eDRUMin expecting for a 3 zone ride made up of bow piezo, edge switch and bell piezo?

2 inputs, made up of one stereo, bow and edge, and a separate mono bell (like the Roland) or somehow magically into 1 stereo...?

So I’ve done some experimenting and when you have a cymbal with the bell piezo on a separate circuit the edrumin won’t recognize it if the cymbal is set to 3 zone metal. Now I have the ride set to dual zone Roland style with edge switch and bow piezo. The bell piezo is on a separate input set to mono. I cranked the threshold and placed the piezo close to my striking position on the bell but away from the bow piezo and the separation is pretty good. I’ll have to do some more playing around to confirm but so far it’s pretty similar to the Roland td12 I had which was also good (good enough for me). Btw I haven’t played with the xtalk setting so that may improve the response even more.

[TheJay]

These are my settings, try them, remember to position the cymbal so you don't hit it above the sensor.

Screenshot 2020-09-18 at 08.35.17.png

Thanks for the screenshot. Hasn't helped yet.

I've included photos to help.

https://imgur.com/a/ZjOmQfJ

Thanks Rob

[lalo]

Humm, and then I realized that note on message aren't very helpfull to trigger the mute tail in S3... S3 can only use "note off" instead of aftertouch to trigger the mute tail.
The note on can only be use to trigger the enveloppe, which is useless here...

Then I don't really understand how you guys are able to get cymbal choke to work the way it should with a note on... Using S3, from what I understand, it's impossible.

Well I just discovered how to not trigger the choke articulation by navigating the SD3 presets. You just have to turn off the mute hit and mute tail articulation and turn off the "choke with note" in the edrumin10, that way you have a full choke without any sound if that's what you prefer.

[Sly]

Humm, and then I realized that note on message aren't very helpfull to trigger the mute tail in S3... S3 can only use "note off" instead of aftertouch to trigger the mute tail.
The note on can only be use to trigger the enveloppe, which is useless here...

Then I don't really understand how you guys are able to get cymbal choke to work the way it should with a note on... Using S3, from what I understand, it's impossible.

Well I just discovered how to not trigger the choke articulation by navigating the SD3 presets. You just have to turn off the mute hit and mute tail articulation and turn off the "choke with note" in the edrumin10, that way you have a full choke without any sound if that's what you prefer.

OK, but the mute tail is a great feature. By turning off the CHOKE WITH NOTE in the eDRUMin 10, then it sends aftertouch, which is intended to trigger the mute tail in S3.

[Mylo]

OK, but the mute tail is a great feature. By turning off the CHOKE WITH NOTE in the eDRUMin 10, then it sends aftertouch, which is intended to trigger the mute tail in S3.

Big thanks for this. Turns out I was doing it all wrong. Now my cymbal chokes sound great and more natural.

[Sly]

OK, but the mute tail is a great feature. By turning off the CHOKE WITH NOTE in the eDRUMin 10, then it sends aftertouch, which is intended to trigger the mute tail in S3.

Big thanks for this. Turns out I was doing it all wrong. Now my cymbal chokes sound great and more natural.

you're welcome, I fear that you're not the only one.

Regarding this mute tail function, we (Rob) should think about the "choke with note" feature. Using a note off instead of a note on could let the user to trigger the mute tail in S3 if he use Ableton Live for exemple. Then in "choke with note" mode, when you just hit the pad (the cymbal) no note off should be sent for all note (bow, edge, bell). Then, when the user grab the cymbal, two or three note off (bow/edge, or bow/edge/bell) should be sent . Note off are usally sent after the note on just to avoid a synth to play a note without ending it. But in a Drum sampler, those note off are useless. Its quite safe to let edrumin to send note on without any following note off .

Those who use the note on to choke their cymbal can get acceptable result by (for exemple) set the choke note to the mute articulation AND by adjusting the volume of this mute articulation to 0. Then the note on should stop the sound. But it's still not very natural.

Maybe I miss something about choke in S3 using note on... But from what I understand, the mute tail cannot be triggered with a note on.

[TheJay]

These are my settings, try them, remember to position the cymbal so you don't hit it above the sensor.

Screenshot 2020-09-18 at 08.35.17.png

Thanks for the screenshot. Hasn't helped yet.

I've included photos to help.

https://imgur.com/a/ZjOmQfJ

Thanks Rob

Hey Rob, just checking in.