HiHat pressure?

[strumpy_strudel]

Hi there, I'm looking at replacing my Pintech Visu-lite hihat for a number of reasons. Looking at the VH-10 and VH-12. Feature wise, it looks like the biggest difference is the VH-12 supports pressure sensing (i.e., higher pitch the harder you press on the pedal). Does the eDRUMin support this? If not, makes the decision pretty easy to just get the VH-10. Thanks!

[mprinz]

Hi, did you think about the Lemon hihat?

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 88882.html

I mean ... your nick sounds german.
I am in Germany/Lower Saxony I could order 2 pieces

I am quite curious about that thing.
Now I am using a 15" Lemon cymbal and my Hall sensor CC controller.

[tjheller]

The answer is yes the edrumin does support this depending on if your VST does as well. I've tried a variety of hi hats with the edrumin combined with Superior Drummer 3. I can make almost all of them give the "extra tight" articulation depending on how I set everything up. Even the VH 11/10.

[mprinz]

Hi!

But I think he really is talking about the change in pitch when pressing the pedal.
Of course I can trigger on open-closed-tight openess with the CC value.

But if the cc is 127, its closed together. I think they use a Force Sensitive Resistor and trigger another CC to control a certain pitch.

Or, I mean, so you change the velocity mapping like so, that you have some "CC headroom" to get other articulations?

[Rob]

There is only one CC. It's up to the module.to process that CC information accordingly. Better Roland modules do indeed adjust the pitch.

[Sly]

The change in pitch is actually done by the module or the VST, and for sure, eDrumin support this feature and easier than with a Roland module.
But if you want a realistic feeling, the last CC values must be obtained by pressing hard the pedal. And I supspect that not every pedal are able to produce this feeling.
On a Roland module (tested on td-12 and TD-30) you should have the CC value at about 90 when pedal is down and your foot rest on the pedal with heel down.
Then when raising you heel up, the CC should go to about 115, then you should have the last values up to 127 by pressing the pedal harder.
If you use Superior drummer 3, you can set the hihat response to whatever value you have, but you still need a pedal that gives it's maximum CC value when it is pressed hard.
For sure the VH-12 is made to do this. VH-13 also.

The VH-10 can't do that on a Roland module, but it's maybe able to give few extra CC values when pressing hard the pedal, I really don't know.
The risk is that the VH-10 gives its lowest electrical resistance value too quickly, when your foot just rest on the pedal with heel down. If it is the case, then no matter how hardrer you'll press on the pedal, it won't be able to tell to edrumin that you press it hard...

I would say that there are good chances that a VH-10 can give those extra CC values when you press the pedal hard, someone here could maybe confirm.

[dsteinschneider]

Some of Stephen Taylor's lessons on YouTube have benefited my playing. He is an accomplished YouTube video producer and sometimes starts out a bit on the clickbait side but in a good way. I thought this video about the $1200 VH-14 was interesting but all while watching it I was wondering if he wouldn't admit that my Hall sensor eDRUMin hi-hat properly calibrated along with Superior Drummer correctly setup plays well enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP98nr6qOw4

[mprinz]

Hi!

Oh, Hall sensor hi-hats rule!!!

I use proper hihat stand. So, my the foot feels a real mechanical hihat.
And because of the touch-less detection method, I was really happy how realistic
it plays when dialed in correctly (SD3).

Hmm. I thought Roland would use some fancy things but.. ok.
Just the CC headroom and ... is it optical or resistive.

I mean if you have a simple rigid linear fader/or somehow optically driven thing by that inner plastic tube.. you know, like the GoEDrum, Millenium controller - that wasn't a good feeling.
I got there somehow but I used some soft rubber/felt washers around the inner moving cylinder
below the below the hihat pad to mechanically create the CC headroom.

dsteinschneider, do you touch the hihat opening stages in SD3 or just the eDRUMin cal?
I would say these opening stages are nice to dial in transitions library dependent but not really to
fine tune the tight state... I dont know.
Mostly I go with the standard hihat SD3 settings and now I am messing around with LiveProfessor2 and SD3 and all my controllers.

Bye!

[dsteinschneider]

The first thing I figured out was to have a bit more travel than I would use on an acoustic hi-hat. Then I calibrated in the eDRUMin app and have played with the curve to make it take more travel for the initial open. I have adjusted in Superior Drummer but just minor amounts. I've watched separate videos about the physical setup, the eDRUMin calibration and Superior Drummer. I've been thinking about inviting a pro drummer I know to come by and go through what he would do to tweak the setup.

I haven't tried to tweak the extra closed either phsyically or in the software. Something that compresses as you push down fully closed is an interesting idea.

[mprinz]

Hi,

yes. Initially, on the real hihat stand I used it to avoid smashing the Roland cymbal rotation stopper on the lower hihat plastic tube
(for the lower cymbal).

I am now thinking of how to use the last CC value changes to trigger the pitch knob in SD3:

Split the CC04 message, one signal goes to the hihat CC04.
The second CC04 values should be remapped to an available CCxx and then remapped to a usefull range for a
realistic pitch change and then MIDI teached to the pitch slider in SD3. Yeahhheee!
I don't know if that works...

You mentioned the pro drummer is that BecauseDrumGeek ? That guy goes crazy with his drum sampler fixes, very nice stuff.
You can find him on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/343842121146761